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Circus circa 2020

Claudius

Coombs wrote:
Nobody should have died. Totally unnecessary loss of life.

Democracy, though, should be made resilient to insurrection, but not necessarily to prevent it entirely. Maybe there will be some silver lining if these political-class types in Congress are made to feel things more presently and less in the abstract. All they really experienced was a tiny taste of the instability and violence they cause for billions of people all over the world. They aren't immune, nor should they be.

You raise good points, Coombs. But these politicians allowed the situation to predictably progress this far. What would cause them to pivot in a way that would prevent the continuation of ongoing trends?

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
Coombs wrote:
Nobody should have died. Totally unnecessary loss of life.

Democracy, though, should be made resilient to insurrection, but not necessarily to prevent it entirely. Maybe there will be some silver lining if these political-class types in Congress are made to feel things more presently and less in the abstract. All they really experienced was a tiny taste of the instability and violence they cause for billions of people all over the world. They aren't immune, nor should they be.

You raise good points, Coombs. But these politicians allowed the situation to predictably progress this far. What would cause them to pivot in a way that would prevent the continuation of ongoing trends?

If they wont change why should anyone care about protecting them or the institutions they represent? Its a pity that the anger in America is being divided down racial lines rather than class lines. If these people could get over their racism they could channel their energy and organisation alongside some of the BLM types and launch a protest worth talking about.

What I find interesting at the moment is the police. A lot of Trump supporting cops in America, a lot of them who feel, rightly or wrongly, that they are being victimised by the liberals, etc I'm half surprised they didn't have a few on the inside ready to help. When that happens, and its got a good chance of happening if things don't change, then you'll see a serious insurrection.

QuincyAbeyie

Qwiss! wrote:
Claudius wrote:
You raise good points, Coombs. But these politicians allowed the situation to predictably progress this far. What would cause them to pivot in a way that would prevent the continuation of ongoing trends?

What I find interesting at the moment is the police. A lot of Trump supporting cops in America, a lot of them who feel, rightly or wrongly, that they are being victimised by the liberals, etc I'm half surprised they didn't have a few on the inside ready to help.

Was thinking the same thing. Some of them were certainly.. friendly.

flobaba

The folks claiming there was a breakdown in police operations or law and order are just chatting nonsense. There was no break down and they know it. At the very least the crowd could have been curtailed and controlled before things got to this extent. The reason they weren't is white privilege. The cops were hanging out and chilling with the protesters for the most part, until they got to the stage where that woman got shot. You notice that even when she did get shot, at the point when she was jumping through the window there were cops right alongside her. Heck, one of them even pointed his gun inside the broken window where the shot came from. I'm guessing he would have shot the person on the other side if it were a civilian and not the secret service. It's notable also that the woman was shot by a black man.

There was no break down. Them folks were basically escorted into the Capitol building by the police.

Qwiss

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
What I find interesting at the moment is the police. A lot of Trump supporting cops in America, a lot of them who feel, rightly or wrongly, that they are being victimised by the liberals, etc I'm half surprised they didn't have a few on the inside ready to help.

Was thinking the same thing. Some of them were certainly.. friendly.

That should worry people too. You can tell they some of them are sympathetic already, how long until they are part of the mob.

Qwiss

flobaba wrote:
There was no break down. Them folks were basically escorted into the Capitol building by the police.

Until some of them were shot dead.

Meatwad

flobaba wrote:
The folks claiming there was a breakdown in police operations or law and order are just chatting nonsense. There was no break down and they know it. At the very least the crowd could have been curtailed and controlled before things got to this extent. The reason they weren't is white privilege. The cops were hanging out and chilling with the protesters for the most part, until they got to the stage where that woman got shot. You notice that even when she did get shot, at the point when she was jumping through the window there were cops right alongside her. Heck, one of them even pointed his gun inside the broken window where the shot came from. I'm guessing he would have shot the person on the other side if it were a civilian and not the secret service. It's notable also that the woman was shot by a black man.

There was no break down. Them folks were basically escorted into the Capitol building by the police.

exactly.

Meatwad

Coombs

Claudius wrote:
Coombs wrote:
Nobody should have died. Totally unnecessary loss of life.

Democracy, though, should be made resilient to insurrection, but not necessarily to prevent it entirely. Maybe there will be some silver lining if these political-class types in Congress are made to feel things more presently and less in the abstract. All they really experienced was a tiny taste of the instability and violence they cause for billions of people all over the world. They aren't immune, nor should they be.

You raise good points, Coombs. But these politicians allowed the situation to predictably progress this far. What would cause them to pivot in a way that would prevent the continuation of ongoing trends?

In many ways I'm talking about democrats more than I am republicans, but I actually don't necessarily divide them by party.

Meatwad

QuincyAbeyie

So police should act differently depending on who they're aiming at? I thought that was the problem with American police.

Gazza M

Jens wrote:
I can sit for hours clicking through far-right twitter feeds after events like this. It fills me with emptiness yet I can't stop looking. Anyone else do something similar? This is a personal favorite of mine today.

they're almost reaching self awareness 😆

we can all agree yesterday was a total failure of law enforcement. the meta data from the online chatter about this jan 6 protest should've set off every red flag and alarm in America's horrid mass surveillance state.

and I'm not sure why people are going after meatwad over the woman that was shot. he's a black man living in America, so id forgive him for having certain biases and maybe even a perceived lack of sympathy about people harmed during this idiocy.

Kel Varnsen

Social media is bad for society.

y va marquer

Gazza M wrote:
Jens wrote:
I can sit for hours clicking through far-right twitter feeds after events like this. It fills me with emptiness yet I can't stop looking. Anyone else do something similar? This is a personal favorite of mine today.

they're almost reaching self awareness 😆

we can all agree yesterday was a total failure of law enforcement. the meta data from the online chatter about this jan 6 protest should've set off every red flag and alarm in America's horrid mass surveillance state.

and I'm not sure why people are going after meatwad over the woman that was shot. he's a black man living in America, so id forgive him for having certain biases and maybe even a perceived lack of sympathy about people harmed during this idiocy.

For my part I didn't mean my comment as a go at Meatwad specifically.

If I had known what was in that video I would not have watched, I have never watched any video of somebody dying.
I feel strongly that it would corrode a part of me to witness this as "news", particularly delivered in clips that go viral.

That is the context of my comment, feeling out loud that it is inhuman to watch a person dying and follow it up with regret that more hadn't been killed.

Meatwad I like you, and clearly I will never have a clue about what it feels like to have been brought up and lived as a black man in America, you feel how you feel, but I would ask why is it that the police not opening up on that crowd is regrettable?

Meatwad

y va marquer wrote:
Gazza M wrote:
they're almost reaching self awareness 😆

we can all agree yesterday was a total failure of law enforcement. the meta data from the online chatter about this jan 6 protest should've set off every red flag and alarm in America's horrid mass surveillance state.

and I'm not sure why people are going after meatwad over the woman that was shot. he's a black man living in America, so id forgive him for having certain biases and maybe even a perceived lack of sympathy about people harmed during this idiocy.

For my part I didn't mean my comment as a go at Meatwad specifically.

If I had known what was in that video I would not have watched, I have never watched any video of somebody dying.
I feel strongly that it would corrode a part of me to witness this as "news", particularly delivered in clips that go viral.

That is the context of my comment, feeling out loud that it is inhuman to watch a person dying and follow it up with regret that more hadn't been killed.

Meatwad I like you, and clearly I will never have a clue about what it feels like to have been brought up and lived as a black man in America, you feel how you feel, but I would ask why is it that the police not opening up on that crowd is regrettable?

not the ones outside. i don't even care if people want to break windows from outside. but once they breeched and are running around in offices and the floor of the senate and house. oh hell no, you have a death wish at that point and deserve everything you get. you do not get to do certain things, not if we want to live in a decent society. i believe in law and order, i just feel there isn't an equal application of the law. one rule for them and another for us. so many with the mentality of this dead woman make up our law enforcement and why it's a racist shit show.

Meatwad

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Social media is bad for society.

100%. i don't have a facebook account (had one when it first came out and UCLA was one of the schools with access, but i let that die upon graduation. i don't have a twitter or instagram. only time i see twitter posts is when they're posted on a forum i'm a member of and i then i share them on another forum (like this one).

now twitter is too restrictive for these nuts and they are now congregating on something called parler. they'll be more radicalized and divorced from reality.

Meatwad

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
So police should act differently depending on who they're aiming at? I thought that was the problem with American police.

no you should act differently when a terrorist is trying to crawl through an opening in the door (and opening they made) and you're told to make sure no one gets past this point because you are secret service and you have a sworn duty to protect. at that point you light them up because they clearly don't like living.

Claudius

I’ll never forget this dark speech.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/the-inaugural-address/
He spoke of American carnage and brought it upon the Capitol

Gazza M

Meatwad wrote:
Kel Varnsen wrote:
Social media is bad for society.

100%. i don't have a facebook account (had one when it first came out and UCLA was one of the schools with access, but i let that die upon graduation. i don't have a twitter or instagram. only time i see twitter posts is when they're posted on a forum i'm a member of and i then i share them on another forum (like this one).

now twitter is too restrictive for these nuts and they are now congregating on something called parler. they'll be more radicalized and divorced from reality.

Parler requires a lot of personal information in order to get past their sign up process. Feds should be all over that website as there's already a call out for a round 2 on inauguration day

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