Finally, the dems are in business.
Circus circa 2020
With exactly a year before the first Democratic elections and caucases, the one question I have is who will finance all of this? American politics is a financially excessive exercise at the best of times. Even if half these guys drop out by December, they still need to raise funding to prove the viability of their case. Individuals and corporations are sure to shell out record amounts to fund this circus. With the rise of technology, the US should look to shorten the election cycle.
Shorten it!? I fear it's only on a trajectory to get longer and longer.
Model citizenry
OJ for president
The comments on that thread. I’m in tears
She's got my vote.
Bless her.
She said first thing she’d do as President is call New Zealand to tell their President that America would be a better place to raise kids than New Zealand.
Absolutely cockatoo.
Still probably at worst the 4th best option out of the 25.
Really? She’s batshit crazy. I almost fell off my chair at ‘girlfriend’. But the love wins answers was also naive in a world of Trump and McConnell
Bar Joe Biden, the top 5 polling candidates look good to me.
Biden is a horrible candidate.
Rex wrote:Biden is a horrible candidate.
he's a great way to see how people don't really interrogate politics. I think a lot of the early polling is indicative of Obama nostalgia. what people don't realise though is that Obama picked Biden as a complement, someone who could appeal to a different segment of the population and check his more liberal ideas once in power. those hoping he will be a return to to Obama style oratory, policy, debating and outreach are mistaken.
the first signs of trouble are that 8-point hit he took in the Morning Consult poll immediately following his Thursday night debate performance. I suspect blacks who have defaulted to him as the best course versus Trump will eventually reconsider and he will eventually only be left primarily with right and moderate older white voters, still a fair chunk but certainly not the apparent coalition he has now.
Claudius wrote:Really? She’s batshit crazy. I almost fell off my chair at ‘girlfriend’. But the love wins answers was also naive in a world of Trump and McConnell
Bar Joe Biden, the top 5 polling candidates look good to me.
Buttigieg and Harris seem as bad as Biden to me. In a lot of way Williamson would make the best president of the lot because she'd be the least likely to bomb a load of innocent people.
Bernie Sanders would have won in 2016 had the DNC not fucked him over. He actually has sound policies unlike most of the others in that extremely backward country.
Claudius wrote:Rex wrote:Biden is a horrible candidate.
he's a great way to see how people don't really interrogate politics. I think a lot of the early polling is indicative of Obama nostalgia. what people don't realise though is that Obama picked Biden as a complement, someone who could appeal to a different segment of the population and check his more liberal ideas once in power.
Which liberal ideas were those?
I think Obama was extremely similar to Biden politically, and that's why he picked him. Eight years' worth of evidence says it wasn't Biden who kept him in check but Obama's own lack of interest in reform and progressive values. Biden is running as an extension of Obama's old centrist platform: let's find common ground, work together, compromise with every idea, pick up a moderate republican for every progressive we turn away. He's probably going to get the endorsement from his best mate too. The fact that people are starting to see it as the kind of right-wing politics it is says more about how real left-wing politicians like Sanders have broadened the scale.
DNC views biden as the safest hands to beat trump. Centrist-with-right-leaning policies, and capable of scooping up a chunk of trumps base. They will spruik him heavily based on that alone
Gazza M wrote:DNC views biden as the safest hands to beat trump. Centrist-with-right-leaning policies, and capable of scooping up a chunk of trumps base. They will spruik him heavily based on that alone
He's going to scoop up as many republicans as Hillary did. Maybe less. Trump is very popular with Republicans.
Also wouldn't he be really unpopular with much of Trumps base by association with Obama?
you're both right, but i doubt the DNC realises that
Seeing a lot of my far left-leaning American mates making arguments along the lines of - if Biden wins the primaries, then screw the general election. If the Democrats keep losing when they field centrist, out-of-touch candidates, then this is the only way that the old guard will get the message that they need to radically revamp the party. Thoughts?
If only Trump and this administration wasn’t so toxic, and dangerous, to the whole world really, then I would argue they had a point. Not now.
a month later
That's not funny, the man is clearly having a stroke
What is going on?
People going after each other...this is like ten trumps on stage...this is fun.
Democrats need to remember who the real enemy is. Don’t say shit in the primaries which makes it difficult to endorse whoever gets the nod.
Rex wrote:Democrats need to remember who the real enemy is. Don’t say shit in the primaries which makes it difficult to endorse whoever gets the nod.
No point taking it easy on each other. Trump wont go easy on them. They need a candidate who can defend their positions and record.
7 days later
‘poor kids are just as bright and talented as white kids’
Imagine this guy on a stage with Trump, if he fucks up like that or the way he just sputtered out random numbers Trumps going to roast him.
Poor Biden means well, but he just doesn’t know how to get the words out of his mouth. Those words don’t actually bother me. I understand what he was trying to say and understand that it came it poorly. Compare with Trump’s latest as he was being interviewed on the White House lawn minutes ago
Reporter: “Mr Trump, what is your message to young children and teenagers who are anxious going back to school after these shootings?”
Trump: “Well, my message is go back to school, study hard and maybe someday you’ll be president!”
Trumps just as bad at making speeches and flubbing his lines but Trump is good at debates, not in a normal way but just that he'll exploit gaffs like that and mock Biden and make him look weak. Of the establishment Dems I think Harris would be much better able for Trump, though obviously Bernie would be better or even Warren.
Yeah. All the guys you note would do well against Trump. Booker too. He just wouldn’t be the candidate as he has no constituency. Trump would really struggle against Warren’s rational approach. Pocahontas-baiting will only get him so far. The hope though is that the TV stations mature and change the formats. They should give candidates 2 minutes for arguments and 1 minute for rebuttals. The short formats are only good for your mama jokes and do not allow thoughtful people to elaborate a reasonable answer
Claudius wrote:Seeing a lot of my far left-leaning American mates making arguments along the lines of - if Biden wins the primaries, then screw the general election. If the Democrats keep losing when they field centrist, out-of-touch candidates, then this is the only way that the old guard will get the message that they need to radically revamp the party. Thoughts?
It's not new thinking, as many took this approach when Bernie was denied the nomination. But it's a naive and myopic approach, as it focused on only the short term (4 year Presidential term) and negates the long term impact (Supreme Court nominations, crippling of agencies, brain drain, etc.).
I'd also argue, that far left leaning candidates / support needs to continue being driven from local government/states. There needs to be a groundswell there before tackling a far left leaning Presidential nomination.
Theres a far left leaning presidential nominee?
Only by American standards! 
I actually find that super amusing. That Americans see someone like Sanders or Warren as far left leaning, when compared to normal countries they are far from it.
A Warren / Williamson combo versus Trump / Pence.
Chances of W/W winning?
Is W-W a hypothetical scenario or something actively in the works? Williamson isn’t being taken seriously unfortunately. Don’t know if it’s her voice or her looks, but she has been made into some sort of caricature character. She is a decent, honest, spiritually and morally sound individual it seems, and America isn’t about that right now. I actually listened to a segment where she was speaking about mental health challenges and the pharmaceutical industry on CNN once and she made points I found strong and valid. Would be an interesting combination, however, I fear the misogyny factor in this country is simply too strong and Trump will take advantage of that.
Williamson looks like a complete nutter to me.
Williamson's a lot more solid and has more depth than the derision directed towards her would indicate.
@ flobs, it's a hypothetical scenario based on that pairing being directly opposite to the Republican pairing.
I liked Williamson but her anti-vaxx stuff is pretty much a deal breaker.