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Circus circa 2020

Claudius

Read this caucus manager’s explanation of the process. This is entertaining.

Klaus

It has taken them two extra days and they still end up giving some of the votes to the wrong person. You have to think that's done on purpose.

mags

I wonder where Tom Perez, DNC Chair is on all of this.
Carries major power within the Dem establishment.
Former cabinet secretary of labor under Obama.
Supported Clinton in 2016.
Does not want the progressive wing to move forward.

https://newrepublic.com/article/156341/tom-perez-stacks-dnc-deck-progressives

Gazza M

Klaus wrote:

It has taken them two extra days and they still end up giving some of the votes to the wrong person. You have to think that's done on purpose.

deval patrick above andrew yang out of nowhere :boris:

bernie supporters don't need anymore conspiracy fuel 😆

mdgoonah41

mags wrote:
I wonder where Tom Perez, DNC Chair is on all of this.
Carries major power within the Dem establishment.
Former cabinet secretary of labor under Obama.
Supported Clinton in 2016.
Does not want the progressive wing to move forward.

https://newrepublic.com/article/156341/tom-perez-stacks-dnc-deck-progressives

the DNC establishment has made a lot of concessions to sanders in the last 2 years in terms of staffing and key decisions inside the DNC. what perez is going to realize is that no matter how much you concede to sanders and his "fans" its never ever going to be enough. they will blame him for everything and anything.

Klaus

He kinda deserves it by the sound of it. In addition to the link mags posted, wasn't Perez behind the recent campaign finance rule change too that essentially let Bloomberg buy his way into the debates? He probably looked at Trump and decided he wanted an oligarch of his own to take office.

mags

Klaus wrote:
He kinda deserves it by the sound of it. In addition to the link mags posted, wasn't Perez behind the recent campaign finance rule change too that essentially let Bloomberg buy his way into the debates? He probably looked at Trump and decided he wanted an oligarch of his own to take office.

Yes, thanks for the reminder, Klaus.

Klaus

Klaus wrote:

It has taken them two extra days and they still end up giving some of the votes to the wrong person. You have to think that's done on purpose.

Burnwinter

Klaus wrote:

It has taken them two extra days and they still end up giving some of the votes to the wrong person. You have to think that's done on purpose.

It's just some people who can't use Excel correctly, looks like:

QuincyAbeyie

😆 All this plus Buttigieg having donated $40 000 last year to the company that made the app makes me very sceptical.

Klaus

😆 That's amazing, Burnsy.

Burnwinter

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
😆 All this plus Buttigieg having donated $40 000 last year to the company that made the app makes me very sceptical.

Seems like Shadow / ACRONYM are a holdall for campaign "dark money" … Tara McGowan and ACRONYM have taken $75m of non-declarable funds to do all sorts of things that aren't very clear. The Buttigieg campaign is evidently very close to them, though, loads of personal ties and Instagram tags going on between the two groups.

As a programmer I feel a bit sorry for the app developers, the bug has been described in detail and sounds like a consequence of a poor standard of integration testing with the IDP server environment, and yet we have a lot of so-called experts sounding off about this and that completely unrelated thing.

Klaus

You gotta love how ancient the Democrats are. Last election you had John Podesta who leaked their entire mail server to hackers by demonstrating the same level of tech savviness as my 86 year old grandma, who once clicked a "Congratulations you've won a free ipad!" link in an email and rootkited her computer. This time you've got people who can't test run an app before a caucasus and can't click their way through an Excel column without messing up.

Just treat their phones like driver's licenses and take them away before they hurt themselves.

mdgoonah41

the other weird thing about the reporting is the obsession over the percentage of state delegate electors. it seems the more worthwhile numbers, in terms of where the candidates stand (which is all that iowa is good for, given its very low number of electoral votes for the convention) is the first choice vote and the final realignment vote. i say this as a warren fan, but its weird how they keep freaking out over these state delegates

Bryant

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
😆 All this plus Buttigieg having donated $40 000 last year to the company that made the app makes me very sceptical.

https://apnews.com/afs:Content:8464590602?fbclid=IwAR1wVW410Lk2L3fx4awB84hlmrvULIm53twhYbNysYFbGmutcyIgbfvprF4

Seems he's not the only one who gave money to this company.

mdgoonah41 wrote:
the other weird thing about the reporting is the obsession over the percentage of state delegate electors. it seems the more worthwhile numbers, in terms of where the candidates stand (which is all that iowa is good for, given its very low number of electoral votes for the convention) is the first choice vote and the final realignment vote. i say this as a warren fan, but its weird how they keep freaking out over these state delegates

I think probably because it's the main method of determining who wins Iowa, which has been won by the Democratic candidate since 2000.

Ultimately, this farce has allowed people like Biden to play down the results.

mdgoonah41

Bryant wrote:
I think probably because it's the main method of determining who wins Iowa, which has been won by the Democratic candidate since 2000.

Ultimately, this farce has allowed people like Biden to play down the results.

the reason iowa has been so important in the past is that it gives a big surge/boost to the winner, which then tends to carry over into another predominantly white state (NH) before things shift. it helps build momentum for the winner, which helps in their fundraising and polling, because its all the media talks about right after the winner is declared.

this year, with the massive fuckup, mayo pete hasn't really gotten a big bump, because no one really knows what the hell is happening, and the narrative has been about how bad the caucus system is and how much the iowa dems fucked up. even if it turns out pete won more votes/delegates, it wont really matter. there is a NH debate on friday and they vote next week. any big bump from iowa probably isnt going to happen. also, given all the other news that has happened in the last week, from kobe to the impeachment stuff to the iowa fuckup, the "winner" is going to get drowned out, to some degree

Claudius

mdgoonah41 wrote:
the other weird thing about the reporting is the obsession over the percentage of state delegate electors. it seems the more worthwhile numbers, in terms of where the candidates stand (which is all that iowa is good for, given its very low number of electoral votes for the convention) is the first choice vote and the final realignment vote. i say this as a warren fan, but its weird how they keep freaking out over these state delegates

Aren’t the State Delegate Equivalents what matters in the end though? In practice they should be a direct outcome of how good you were in steps 1 and 2, but the use of prior electorate counts and not the present electorate count differentiates the SDEs. These candidates are fighting for delegates after all. Remember this is the first Iowa election where any info beyond delegates has been released

Claudius

And it will be a good thing if there is no bump. I don’t understand how winning one small, unrepresentative state that pretends a game of musical chairs is an election should inform voters of bigger states. These guys are campaigning for a year, and all the media attention is all about how you are going to do in Iowa, when there are about one million things wrong with Iowa as a concept for anchoring on. So “Mayo Pete” as you call him doesn’t deserve a bump

KingslandBarge

mags wrote:
SOTU
Trashy theatrics for TV, Limbaugh getting a MofH.

Trump doesn’t shake her hand, she retaliates.
After 3 years of his cruel, vulgar language, mean spirited actions against children among others, the bitterness on her part just emphasizes the total lack of respect for him, and it also shows her fearlessness.

He slurs his words, his brain is rotting, and the Republicans clap their hands, the entire cowardly bunch of them.

Very pleased with the picture you painted. Please continue to narrate this theatre all the way to election day please!

By the way mags, who is the candidate (active or not) that most resonates with you?

mags

KingslandBarge wrote:
By the way mags, who is the candidate (active or not) that most resonates with you?

Am sitting on the fence right now.
Have paid little attention to the Iowa shenanigans.
Just working on getting re-energized after the impeachment trial.

One person that caught my eye early on was Sherrod Brown, Ohio Senator, major supporter of labor. He dropped out early.
Warren And Sanders are both candidates On my possibilities roster. Both imperfect, both have some plans I am uncomfortable with, her on foreign policy, him on gun control. But they top the list on climate issues which is a key area for me. Voted for Bernie last primary., and lean toward him.

Bottom line: who is most likely to beat trump (if he doesn’t have a stroke before November or put his foot in it to the point his base wakes up-ain’t gonna happen)...And who has the $$$$ to run a strong campaign into November. One more thing... The DNC....Powerful. Worrisome.

Whoever gets the nomination will have a brawl, an ugly, dirty fight, no holds barred from the trump camp.

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