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Gazza M

the app crashing in iowa looks like an own goal for dems. republicans can and will dine out on that kind of mishap

Klaus

arsedocmd

Gazza M wrote:
the app crashing in iowa looks like an own goal for dems. republicans can and will dine out on that kind of mishap

Majority of establishment centrists will vote for Trump over Bernie. Simple math.

JazzG

AOC not showing up, a few other Democrats walking out and Pelosi ripping up the speech. This really isn’t a good look for the Democrats who are coming across as a bit desperate and petty.

This looks like it is all going a bit tits up at the moment. The leadership need to get their shit together.

arsedoc md wrote:
Gazza M wrote:
the app crashing in iowa looks like an own goal for dems. republicans can and will dine out on that kind of mishap

Majority of establishment centrists will vote for Trump over Bernie. Simple math.

Yup they’ll either vote for Trump or not vote at all.

mags

SOTU....
Typical claptrap getting the respect it deserves from the Speaker, none.
Slurred, mispronounced words....Mini strokes having their effect?

“Q. What’s in his brain?
A. A golf club, a cheeseburger, a porn video and somebody else’s credit card.”

Gazza M

JazzG wrote:
AOC not showing up, a few other Democrats walking out and Pelosi ripping up the speech. This really isn’t a good look for the Democrats who are coming across as a bit desperate and petty.

This looks like it is all going a bit tits up at the moment. The leadership need to get their shit together.

arsedoc md wrote:
Majority of establishment centrists will vote for Trump over Bernie. Simple math.

Yup they’ll either vote for Trump or not vote at all.

Maybe, but the 'they go low, we go high' approach hasn't really worked. Trump has bulldozed all the norms of decorum. Its a different arena, and dems need to start hitting harder, and - in the right circumstances - lower. Problem is they just can't organise to win a fight

Klaus

Where are the rest of the numbers from Iowa? Are they seriously not going to bother after only releasing 62% of the vote?

Claudius

Klaus wrote:
Where are the rest of the numbers from Iowa? Are they seriously not going to bother after only releasing 62% of the vote?

They are at 71%. Still sitting at 26% to 25% for the Manchurian candidate versus Bernie. Don't know what the rush is. Rather get it right than early.

Klaus

So why only release 62% for two days? That's absolutely ridiculous.

JazzG

Gazza M wrote:
Maybe, but the 'they go low, we go high' approach hasn't really worked. Trump has bulldozed all the norms of decorum. Its a different arena, and dems need to start hitting harder, and - in the right circumstances - lower. Problem is they just can't organise to win a fight

They're not going to win a gutter fight with Trump though are they? That man is king of that domain, to paraphrase he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

The two main things he has going for him is the strong economy and that the Republican side is united. The Democrats on the other hand are more divided than ever. With Bernie & the Socialist emergence over the last 4/5 years clear divisions forming within the party. That base needs to be fully unified behind a strong charismatic leader. None of their current current candidates strike me as that.

Mirth

At this stage 5 years ago the Republican party was just as divided though - if there's a Democrat president, the base will rally around him or her.

mags

SOTU
Trashy theatrics for TV, Limbaugh getting a MofH.

Trump doesn’t shake her hand, she retaliates.
After 3 years of his cruel, vulgar language, mean spirited actions against children among others, the bitterness on her part just emphasizes the total lack of respect for him, and it also shows her fearlessness.

He slurs his words, his brain is rotting, and the Republicans clap their hands, the entire cowardly bunch of them.

JazzG

I wonder how Trump feels about her ripping up the speech. He could take the piss out of her but knowing him as the egomaniac he is, he's probably fuming she stole his thunder and everyone is talking about it.

Mirth wrote:
At this stage 5 years ago the Republican party was just as divided though - if there's a Democrat president, the base will rally around him or her.

The Democrats were divided going into 2016 elections which is why Hilary lost. The Republicans I think have a different mentality. A lot of those who supported Bernie wouldn't vote for Hilary or decided to vote for Trump out of spite. Republicans may not have been happy with Trump but I think the vast majority showed up to vote for him.

Klaus

JazzG wrote:
A lot of those who supported Bernie wouldn't vote for Hilary or decided to vote for Trump out of spite.

That's not true. There were fewer Sanders supporters who voted for Trump than there were Hillary supporters that ended up voting for John McCain in 2008 for one thing.

mags

He doesn’t know how to deal with Pelosi.
He is a coward unless you have forgotten.

The Dems lost because Hilary got lazy, didn’t spend time in the rust belt, and trump worked his butt off the last weeks of the campaign,
People forget she won the popular vote by millions. He won the rust belt electoral votes by a few thousand. That is where the race was decided.

MistaT

Klaus wrote:
JazzG wrote:
A lot of those who supported Bernie wouldn't vote for Hilary or decided to vote for Trump out of spite.

That's not true. There were fewer Sanders supporters who voted for Trump than there were Hillary supporters that ended up voting for John McCain in 2008 for one thing.

There were quite a few supporters who didn't vote (for Hilary), but I don't think many voted for Trump.

Klaus

Yep, but that's a different issue. No one owes the democratic candidate their vote. One of the strengths of Sanders, and probably Warren too right now to a lesser degree, has been the ability to attract independent voters or people who just don't vote normally.

Klaus

Claudius wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Where are the rest of the numbers from Iowa? Are they seriously not going to bother after only releasing 62% of the vote?

They are at 71%. Still sitting at 26% to 25% for the Manchurian candidate versus Bernie. Don't know what the rush is. Rather get it right than early.

Either way, just to get back to this: I've seen both CNN and Slate claim now that Buttigieg won Iowa, despite only having 71% of the votes accounted for. Do you still not see the issue here with how everything has progressed, Claude? One candidate is getting news headline after news headline proclaiming him victorious in a caucasus he might not have won. It's dominating the news cycle.

The longer they keep holding the results back, the more people are going to feel that they're doing it in order to sabotage for someone else. And if it turns out that Bernie did indeed win those people will just feel validated. What an absolute horror show this has been from the Democrats. People were worried beforehand that they would try to fuck him over through any means available, and it's hard to disagree with them.

Gazza M

MSM has been bigging up pete, and glossing over biden finishing a distant fourth. Nothing new there. Buttigieg will fade away fast after new hampshire though

MSM coverage of bernie has been and will continue to be atrocious over there

Claudius

Lol. I was watching Smerconish on cNN an hour ago. He said Buttigieg is the favorite coming out of this caucus. I almost fell of my seat. This is the guy who is averaging 5th behind an invisible Bloomberg on major national polls. But he’s the favorite now because he’s won a small caucus. I’m tempted to say ‘fake news’

And now CNN are saying it will be a death knell for Biden if he doesn’t finish top 2 in New Hampshire. What? Who in their right mind expects him to finish top 2 there?

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