Gazza M wrote:
jones wrote:
Good post. Anyone thinking Pep and Klopp looked any better in their first seasons is fooling themselves, how could anyone forget so quickly all the bald fraud memes about Pep and how England broke him ffs. There were barely any traits of his brand of football, how could there be with Sagna, Fernando Wilfried Bony or Joe Hart in the team.
Also Emery brought through plenty of talent from the academies he worked with, now we're just making stuff up. However it's much easier to integrate kids if you have Valencia's or PSG's youngsters coming up and not our usual Akpoms and Afobes.
Also worth noting about his Valencia spell is how they dropped deep into mid table when they sacked him (to be replaced by Pellegrino by all people, one of the worst coaches ever)
i never said klopp and pep had better first seasons in england
emery may have brought talent through, but there's no track record if him taking them on deep CL runs, or finishing on higher than expected points totals in la liga. pep and klopp had a better record on both those counts before coming to england
I didn't say you did, Tone did.
I dont think anyone expected Sevilla to finish with 76 points in 2015. Show me one who did after yet another summer of their squad being gutted of its biggest talent and I'll show you a liar. Same situation in Valencia every year every La Liga pundit expected them to fail to recover from the sales of Villa Silva Mata etc and every summer he finished 3rd again.
As for deep CL runs it took Klopp like five years of abject failures in Europe with a highly talented Dortmund squad until he managed to get them somewhere. Now he's been in three finals, two CL and one in EL and he lost all of them. Yet "going deep in Europe" seems to be something he has over someone who actually won three consecutive Europa League titles.
