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Time for the fans to stick by the manager

Mirth

Also - no one's going to give him new shiny toys to play with if they don't feel he's utilising what he has effectively in the first place.

Qwiss

Gurgen wrote:
If the new manager cannot do better with the squad and team we have, why hire a new manager?

Wenger got to build his own team and it fell short of expectations thats why we got a new manager. The idea that his replacement should be able to wave a magic wand and turn those players into totally different players is incredibly unrealistic. Pep fell short in his first season in the PL. Klopp fell short in his first season in the PL. Both managers were given time and resources to solve the problems they inherited. For people to expect anything else from Emery is childish.

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Gurgen wrote:
Sorry but I don't get that logic. If the new manager cannot do better with the squad and team we have, why hire a new manager? That's very unambitious thinking. The question is not what a manager can do with a new fantasy football team, the question is if he is getting the best out of the players he has. That's basically the minimum you expect and the reason Mourinho and Wenger were sacked.

I also disagree with your first observation but I think that's been discussed to death already.

The problem is you refuse to acknowledge that he already IS doing better than our previous manager. We have more points at this stage in the season than we did last season. That’s tangible improvement, or isn’t it?

Or what do you really want?

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Qwiss! wrote:
Gurgen wrote:
If the new manager cannot do better with the squad and team we have, why hire a new manager?

Wenger got to build his own team and it fell short of expectations thats why we got a new manager. The idea that his replacement should be able to wave a magic wand and turn those players into totally different players is incredibly unrealistic. Pep fell short in his first season in the PL. Klopp fell short in his first season in the PL. Both managers were given time and resources to solve the problems they inherited. For people to expect anything else from Emery is childish.

And it’s the same ones saying Emery is a no name, no mark manager who say they have higher expectations from him. It’s quite puzzling.

jones

flobaba wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Wenger got to build his own team and it fell short of expectations thats why we got a new manager. The idea that his replacement should be able to wave a magic wand and turn those players into totally different players is incredibly unrealistic. Pep fell short in his first season in the PL. Klopp fell short in his first season in the PL. Both managers were given time and resources to solve the problems they inherited. For people to expect anything else from Emery is childish.

And it’s the same ones saying Emery is a no name, no mark manager who say they have higher expectations from him. It’s quite puzzling.

Spot on. How do you feel disappointed by someone you keep ridiculing all day.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Yeah, it's bizarre logic.

If Emery inherited Barcelona or Madrid players and that squad finished 5th or whatever under the previous manager then you would have a right to expect him to do much better with said squad.

Emery has inherited a very average and unbalanced squad.

Gurgen

So it's good enough if he doesn't do worse or just a little bit better than what many said was the worst manager we could have? Taking about bizarre 😆

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Now you’re shifting goal posts. He is either doing objectively or tangibly better than his predecessor or he is not. Fact is, at this moment, using the most effective measure of progress in football, i.e. points tally, he is.

Also our big game performances/results are not bad either, and quite a few individual players who were written off as useless have shown great improvement, not to mention our abysmal away record from the previous term.

But of course all that doesn’t matter. 4th Place is our everything.

Even with this, I am not proclaiming Emery a success. Come end of season things may have changed drastically for better or worse, but at lets not pretend that there are zero positive signs since he has arrived here.

Clrnc

The Emery criticism comes coincidentally after Solskjaer is magically doing well with a squad completely not his. That might have influence quite a few

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I don’t think so. His critics have been consistently attacking him way before Solksjaer came into the picture. And to be fair they have some valid points.

If that indeed is the case then it would be a very superficial way of looking at things in my opinion.

goon

Solskjear is a terrible example though, doesn't matter how good you are you don't have an instant impact like that because of anything real you bring to the table. It's just the honeymoon period.

On Emery needing to improve results by the way, we're already 5 points better off than last season, that's a quantifiable difference and that margin will probably get bigger given that we went on to lose a further 7 games last season.

jones

United have been actively sabotaging their on pitch performances for months to get rid of the cancer that is Mourinho. In steps their new friend Solskjaer with his funny Gollum face it's only natural they'd respond positively. It's like the day after a massive hangover you feel energetic and go workout etc anything to make yourself forget what a piece of shit you've been the day before.

arsedocmd

United already have quite a bit of talent. It felt like an uncluttering of traffic jam kind of and now it's running smooth. Hopefully, they get carried away and an accident soon.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Gurgen wrote:
So it's good enough if he doesn't do worse or just a little bit better than what many said was the worst manager we could have? Taking about bizarre 😆

Not at all what I'm saying. I've been back and forth regarding Emery for a couple of months. I'm certainly not convinced either way yet.

However, there are tangible improvements - the players are leaner, faster and working harder. Yes, we are completely unable to play any semblance of possession football (this could be by design as Emery might not deem this current squad capable of it) which is gnawing at me, but the guy is obviously able to extract a decent amount out of the players that largely aren't even his yet.

banduan

an insight into the madness. Of course we've known most of these things but the description of his early successes is compelling.

Burnwinter

Clrnc wrote:
The Emery criticism comes coincidentally after Solskjaer is magically doing well with a squad completely not his.

The whole United squad was blatantly sandbagging due to hating Mourinho though.

Claudius

Burnwinter wrote:
Clrnc wrote:
The Emery criticism comes coincidentally after Solskjaer is magically doing well with a squad completely not his.

The whole United squad was blatantly sandbagging due to hating Mourinho though.

Hopefully, Sarri inspires Willian to lead similar employee action at Chelsea.

Klaus

banduan wrote:

an insight into the madness. Of course we've known most of these things but the description of his early successes is compelling.

Kinda hagiographical though, no?

banduan

maybe it is but it's good to see how he got highly rated in the first place. It's not like the vid is waxing lyrical about his UEL wins.

Anzac

Qwiss! wrote:
Gurgen wrote:
If the new manager cannot do better with the squad and team we have, why hire a new manager?

Wenger got to build his own team and it fell short of expectations thats why we got a new manager. The idea that his replacement should be able to wave a magic wand and turn those players into totally different players is incredibly unrealistic. Pep fell short in his first season in the PL. Klopp fell short in his first season in the PL. Both managers were given time and resources to solve the problems they inherited. For people to expect anything else from Emery is childish.

To put it another way AW was given over a decade after he last won the PL, and 3 squad rebuilds to make us as bad as we've been the last 2 seasons under him - he was given the opportunity to bounce back but failed to do so and made things worse.

I find it somewhat bizarre that Emery is being criticised for not using some players when AW was doing much the same.

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