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Time for the fans to stick by the manager

Klaus

arsedoc md wrote:
goon wrote:
There's only around 5 managers around who work with a materially bigger budget than we do. There's plenty who work on a restricted budget and do it well. Also doesn't your argument suggest we should have just stuck with Wenger? The whole point of moving on, even when he was getting us top four every season, was to try and find someone who can push us further with what we have.

Like who? Who does it in the top tiers in the top leagues consistently.

I said last summer that I wanted Graham Potter and I'd still take him. I just think he's brilliant. Great at developing players, even better at getting them to work toward a common goal. Having seen him work for years and heard him talk at length about football, there's definitely an air of a young Wenger about him. He has the capacity to actually build a club up, to transform it. Maybe he hasn't done it on top level before, but I think it's a mistake to just look at merits. Wenger hadn't really done it before either, nor had Simeone. You find a person you think is suitable and you give them a shot.

I bet Potter is tired at the situation at Swansea right now too. He's keeping them competitive despite the club selling all his good players two windows in a row and not giving him a dime to work with. Their fans love him for staying put despite being treated this way after being promised big funds and resources. The Guardian had a good piece about their predicament today: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/feb/16/swansea-city-graham-potter-model-club-to-cautionary-tale

Clrnc

The only manager I would be confident of being the special one for us and a success is Marco Rose. His work at Salzburg is nothing short of exceptional and his big game record is amazing in europe.

Qwiss

Klaus wrote:
He's keeping them competitive despite the club selling all his good players two windows in a row and not giving him a dime to work with.

They're 13th in the Championship 😆

ohboy

Seems as though Potters budget is that of a league one team though.

All I want is a manager who makes use of his squad. Let’s see what Emery does until the end of the season. He definitely doesn’t need us to back him though.

He needs to prove to us that he is worthy of the job, not the other way around

QuincyAbeyie

I don't follow Swansea at all. Other than his good EL season with Östersund, has he done anything that, say, Howe hasn't?

Jed

Emery ain't going anywhere guys. He has Sanllehi's backing and the owners like him. It would take a spectacular failure for him to be sacked.

Mirth

Not qualifying for the CL over the next two years would be a spectacular failure.

Claudius

Not really. It would be in line with our budget.
What we need to do is create the conditions for success.

rapid investment in the team over 1-2 windows (_100m net investment)
stability in the organisation
clarity in the strategy from the manager and the technical team

Klaus

Qwiss! wrote:
Klaus wrote:
He's keeping them competitive despite the club selling all his good players two windows in a row and not giving him a dime to work with.

They're 13th in the Championship 😆

Yes, but they're potentially only a couple of points behind the places below the playoff and have been pending up and down all season. Did you read the article or did you just want to have a laugh?

Klaus

Claudius wrote:
Not really. It would be in line with our budget.

A budget is just an artificial sum someone has decided on. It's fully within our powers to qualify for Champions League right now with the means we have.

Qwiss

Klaus wrote:
Claudius wrote:
Not really. It would be in line with our budget.

A budget is just an artificial sum someone has decided on.

Why is that the case for Emery and Arsenal but not Potter and Swansea?

Klaus

Because Swansea have sold or loaned half of his players 😆

You could have just said that you were too lazy to read.

Claudius

Qwiss! wrote:
Klaus wrote:
A budget is just an artificial sum someone has decided on.

Why is that the case for Emery and Arsenal but not Potter and Swansea?

... because this is what people see whenever they look at our bench

Qwiss

Klaus wrote:
Because Swansea have sold or loaned half of his players 😆

Thats usually what happens when a team is relegated. Your budget changes and your team has to deal with it. Just like we have a lower budget than most of our rivals plus Emery arrived into a situation where he's saddled with unmotivated, over the hill players taking up a large part of the uncompetitive budget we already have.

Qwiss

Claudius wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
Why is that the case for Emery and Arsenal but not Potter and Swansea?

... because this is what people see whenever they look at our bench

It really is odd how often people allow how they feel about a player or managers appearance influence their footballing opinions of them.

Klaus

Qwiss! wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Because Swansea have sold or loaned half of his players 😆

Thats usually what happens when a team is relegated. Your budget changes and your team has to deal with it. Just like we have a lower budget than most of our rivals plus Emery arrived into a situation where he's saddled with unmotivated, over the hill players taking up a large part of the uncompetitive budget we already have.

Over the hill, unmotivated players like Ramsey who had just won Arsenal Player of the Year. Sure.

He got a £70 million investment throughout the spine of the team plus guys like Auba and Mkhi who arrived in January. That's £130 million or so spent in the last 14 months on players coming in despite playing in Europa League for a second year in a row. No one's been holding out on Emery except for Emery himself.

Gurgen

Qwiss! wrote:
Klaus wrote:
He's keeping them competitive despite the club selling all his good players two windows in a row and not giving him a dime to work with.

They're 13th in the Championship 😆

Which is overperforming, considering the context in which he's operating.

Ray

Swansea actually spent more than the current top two in the championship in the summer. And being 10 points off the play offs is hardly being competitive? Farke is a better shout by those standards.

Klaus

They spent £6.5 million after selling players for nearly £50 million. In addition they've loaned out like a dozen first teamers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018%E2%80%9319_Swansea_City_A.F.C._season#Transfers_out

As a result Potter has been giving the third-highest total minutes to youth this season out of the 72 Football League clubs in England and now they're gonna have another firesale in the summer to make another £30 million off the bones of the squad, but again, this is in the article I linked to. If you want a measure of how he's doing go and look at what the Swansea fans are saying. They love him.

goon

They sold £45m worth and spent £5m. They also loaned out another 5-6 first team players.

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