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Denis Suarez

speedy

I was talking about the first half of his last season here. Once he was going to City and Cesc returned from injury he couldn't be bothered after Jan. But he did have that half a great season.

Bold Tone

I was just posting my opinion on Nasri and not really disagreeing with you.
I marvelled at him when he first broke into the Marseille team that i started following after the 1990 WC as they played some of the best football in Europe. He came in after the Tapie scandals so immediately shone as they had lost all their stars but, for some reason, i never really warmed to him at Arsenal.

Claudius

I see a lot of talk about wingers here. However, when I watch football, I see very little use of them. I think stats have killed them. They’re an inefficient way to attack. We might want a scoring attacking kid in the vein of a Sane or Sterling, but wingers would be a waste.

jones

Bold Tone wrote:
One could say those 5 months were how long it took for our coaches to wean him off shooting in favour of recycling the ball.
That would not be entirely true, however, as anybody coming in after Hleb would definitely be shooting more.
One of my issues with Nasri is that brainless mentality many wingers have of always trying to dribble to beat their markers when a pass or cross (see Beckham) would help the team more.

e: As for Denis Suarez, nothing special and it feels like we are only interested because Barca want rid.
I would be happier with a loan till the end of the season with an option to buy if he proves his worth.

How often did you see him play to make that claim he's nothing special?

Klaus

Winger is just a word for a wide man. Salah is a winger, or used to be at least. Pires, Freddie, both wingers. Felipe Anderson is tearing teams apart singlehandedly this season from a wing position.

I absolutely think you need wingers in football. Wenger's downfall was partly connected to not using them anymore. We played the narrowest horseshit football in Europe during his last two seasons.

Jed

Claudius wrote:
He’s very effective at beating defenders one-on-one. He’s not a traditional English winger. More a better version of Iwobi. Will be dependent on Kola for width

I don't think he's any better than Iwobi.

Bold Tone

jones wrote:
Bold Tone wrote:
One could say those 5 months were how long it took for our coaches to wean him off shooting in favour of recycling the ball.
That would not be entirely true, however, as anybody coming in after Hleb would definitely be shooting more.
One of my issues with Nasri is that brainless mentality many wingers have of always trying to dribble to beat their markers when a pass or cross (see Beckham) would help the team more.

e: As for Denis Suarez, nothing special and it feels like we are only interested because Barca want rid.
I would be happier with a loan till the end of the season with an option to buy if he proves his worth.

How often did you see him play to make that claim he's nothing special?

I don't need to see him week in week out to form an opinion.
In any case, his coaches who see him week in week out every training session (i can safely assume you don't) do not deem him good enough to play week in week out.

naz

So we're basically signing a younger version of nasri from the looks of it and playing him on the wing? No real pace, good dribbling, sucks at finishing. Sounds about right. Definitely a tiny step towards getting back into cl, definitely not a league winning signing. But honestly, isn't this the type of signing (cheap and good but not amazing) we need right now? It's basically a Liverpool type signing from 2-4 years ago. Baby steps

QuincyAbeyie

Bold Tone wrote:
jones wrote:
How often did you see him play to make that claim he's nothing special?

In any case, his coaches who see him week in week out every training session (i can safely assume you don't) do not deem him good enough to play week in week out.

By that logic we shouldn't buy any player that a club wishes to sell.

Captain

May be alright under Emery. At least he'll have decent resale value, assuming he comes cheap.

Bold Tone

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Bold Tone wrote:
In any case, his coaches who see him week in week out every training session (i can safely assume you don't) do not deem him good enough to play week in week out.

By that logic we shouldn't buy any player that a club wishes to sell.

I know you are trying to make an argument by quoting a sentence out of context but, little advice, leave out the "In any case" bit which highlights the fact that it was an aside added to the general point of the post.
No need to thank me!

Clrnc

speedy wrote:
Nasri and no spine or balls at all. It was a dam miracle he could get around the pitch. He had a spell for 5 months where he took the initiative to make things happen. And spend the rest of it just being a comfortable passanger with bags of talent. He should have been like Kevin at city.

Definitely. Surprised to see people still rating Nasri's Arsenal days. He was fucking coward most of the time. Was the epitome of our pussyball those days

QuincyAbeyie

Bold Tone wrote:
Quincy Abeyie wrote:
By that logic we shouldn't buy any player that a club wishes to sell.

I know you are trying to make an argument by quoting a sentence out of context but, little advice, leave out the "In any case" bit which highlights the fact that it was an aside added to the general point of the post.
No need to thank me!

That wasn't my intention, and you shouldn't assume that it is. The part I left out doesn't change anything about what I said or answered to, which is why it was left out.

Bold Tone

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
Bold Tone wrote:
I know you are trying to make an argument by quoting a sentence out of context but, little advice, leave out the "In any case" bit which highlights the fact that it was an aside added to the general point of the post.
No need to thank me!

That wasn't my intention, and you shouldn't assume that it is. The part I left out doesn't change anything about what I said or answered to, which is why it was left out.

This is what you chopped off.

"I don't need to see him week in week out to form an opinion."

How can that not change anything?

QuincyAbeyie

That you don't think you have to see a player week in week out to form an opinion of him is kind of a given when you say that the coaches can do the job for you.

Not to mention that I don't see why it should matter if he isn't good enough for a club that has ambitions of winning the Champions League, when our ambitions are to qualify for it.

Bold Tone

Quincy Abeyie wrote:
That you don't think you have to see a player week in week out to form an opinion of him is kind of a given when you say that the coaches can do the job for you.

Not to mention that I don't see why it should matter if he isn't good enough for a club that has ambitions of winning the Champions League, when our ambitions are to qualify for it.

Eh?
You have me lost as i don't see how all this leads to you to post the below statement.

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[font=Arial]To help you, i refer you to my initial post on the subject for you to internet-analyse my logic.[/font]

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[font=Source Sans Pro]I would be happier with a loan till the end of the season with an option to buy if he proves his worth."[/font]
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GooneriC

Not what we need. Should get a proper winger. Pace , power , directness and goals.

mdgoonah41

we need to rebuild our squad, desperately, and one player isnt going to do that.

suarez is a decent replacement for ramsey, based on what ive seen. he seems to be a very good dribbler/technical player. can he defend? does he track back? i dont know.

the big question i have right now is what emery's vision is for our formation and shape. hes been playing all these weird lineups because of our injuries. where does suarez fit? i want to play 4-4-2, so he probably wouldnt fit in that formation. in a 4-2-3-1, is he the #10? in a 4-3-3 with one deep CM and two box to box guys, he'd obviously fit there. as a tucked in attacking mid in some sort of weird 4-3-2-1, he would probably fit.

for £15m, given his technical ability and his youth, it seems worthwhile, especially since he already has a big club/league pedigree. no clue how he'll adapt here, obviously. barcelona have let go of top talent before for bizarre reasons, so i wouldnt assume them letting him go means they think hes shit.

Bryant

Apparently he is reliable for Barca news and has broken news of transfers in the past. He states that we cannot afford to buy him at this moment. It's either we get him on loan or he stays at Barca.

Klaus

You'd think they could cut us some slack considering it took them like eight years to pay us for Henry.

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