Nvm. Debris found. RIP.

At least it was quick

    Wagner group and Russians have fallen out, sounds like the Wagner group have taken two cities and talk of a coup. Has been bubbling for a while now.

    Clrnc Really sad it ended like this but sounds like the guy who was running the operation was cutting loads of corners.

      No matter how this ends, the last one year has destroyed Russia’s military reputation.

        Mirth Depends where you are from. Here in east europe it was no surprise, nothing to destroy, we knew they are incompetent and corrupted at every lvl. It's just how things work in ex soviet states.

          French policing makes American police look normal.

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          Couldn't he make it less obvious...

          Definitely an accident

          One of Putin's greatest achievements in "denazification" to date

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          Daz Rustbucket settler colony, more a failed excavation project than a nation

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            i love the way certain people use the word divisive.

            it's funny and sad how people are the same everywhere or at least the same wherever you find murdoch owned media. just reading the articles i'm like is this peter dutton guy ron dekkklantis in disguise ... is jacinta price a clarence thomas wannabe?

            Yeah Jacinta Price is the Indigenous equivalent of an "Uncle Tom" I guess, she's bought and paid for. Has received a lot of income from a conservative think-tank.

            The Voice to Parliament has really been scuttled by the navel-gazing left this time though. Would've had a chance if there'd been a bit of solidarity.

              Burnwinter
              clarence thomas is bought and paid for too, he gets flown around like an instagram thot going to dubai. the murdoch world is just too damn similar.

                  It’s always interesting looking at the demographics behind votes like this. Is it true that other ethnic minorities also voted against this?Is that just because the campaigning was bad?

                    Mirth Is it true that other ethnic minorities also voted against this?

                    Australia's two larger non-European migrant communities, Indian and Chinese, tended to favour "yes" more than the wider population according to all the reporting I read.

                        A few people I know from ethnic minorities told me quite vociferously they were voting No because why should one group of people get more of a say than them. They felt "really insulted".

                        It either shows a lack of understanding or empathy, or negativity towards First Nations people here. I suspect a bit of both.

                        Sadly the Yes campaign was run quite poorly, but also the conservative party here could have supported the proposal. Plenty of individuals from that side of politics voted Yes, but the leadership is run by a bunch of literal potato heads. I always think I couldn't dislike a politician more, and then they somehow find one.

                        I think a lot of people wanted to vote No, and then used Jacinta Price as an excuse to say "oh look, even the Aboriginals don't want this". The irony is they use her to support their thinking, but she really wants a Treaty, and if you thought this referendum was defeated soundly just imagine how a vote on a Treaty would go.

                        This country still really doesn't like Aboriginal people much, unless they win stuff at sport.

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                        Burnwinter
                        the same thing happens here in america. i know with legal immigration it's largely people who are privileged in their home countries so when they come to america it's "why can't they .... why should they ..."

                            Meatwad It's complex but yeah first generation migrants are often politically conservative and "pull the drawbridge up behind them" as it's sometimes called.

                            If you want the simplest possible interpretation of the No vote on this change, I'd say it's that Australia is a constitutively white supremacist state in the sense that exclusion and dispossession of its natural resources were two of the main reasons Federation happened. Its unconsidered political defaults are to reinforce that enclosure of value.