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The new guy - Wengs replacement

Anzac

Jed wrote:
If Arteta is appointed the emphasis would be on him to perform right away and prove all the doubters wrong as the fans won't allow him leeway to learn on the job. Ridiculous amount of pressure on someone with literally zero experience. It's a massive job, one of the biggest in football.

He must be a supremely confident individual to even be backing himself for the role.

I'd agree that the profile is huge, but I think the new structures are intended to minimise the scope of the role and to put the focus of the role onto the team only in regards to primarily coaching and match days. They'd still have input relevant to transfers, style of play etc but would not be hands on in those areas as primary duties.

Would love to know who reached out to the club directly (not via the press) once AW's departure was announced.

JazzG

Tam wrote:
I just read that today is apparently Wenger's final day at the office. Clearing out the desk and so on. I'm sure it would have been an emotional day not only for Wenger but for most, if not all, of the staff at the training ground.

Sounds like half of them have been sent packing as well!

Yup, for Wenger it has been so long he won't even remember what it is like being at another club.

Don Pacifico

Captain wrote:
Ignore anything in the press - none of them have a Scooby. It's plain as day.

If anyone knows whether Henry is being approached, I'd expect it to be Sky. 😉

goon

y va marquer

"On the brink".
:egg:

Sicario

Still think there is a twist to come.....

innervisionscm

Definitely supportive of Arteta, he's been my first choice to replace Wenger for a while now. I'll actually watch next season with a new regime, I couldn't take it anymore and skipped last season.

y va marquer

Sicario wrote:
Still think there is a twist to come.....

ohboy

I actually can’t believe that this is true.

It is a massive and frankly ridiculous gamble. We will all get behind the club, but this is almost asking for disaster. I just hope Arteta is a good teacher, and helps the youngsters to be more tactically switched on, and if he can instill a focus and discipline into the squad, that alone can bring about a real change.

I just believe that the infrastructure around Arteta is not proven. This is not a real or Barca where you can just plug and play the manager.

If this proves to be a success than Gazidis will forever look like a genius. If it does not, the knives will be out.

Klaus

innervisionscm wrote:
Definitely supportive of Arteta, he's been my first choice to replace Wenger for a while now. I'll actually watch next season with a new regime, I couldn't take it anymore and skipped last season.

Everything alright mate? It's been a while since I saw you around.

innervisionscm

Yeah all good lol, I just couldn't do another season of Arsenal under Wenger, and I picked up another sporting interest closer to home here in New York. It just got too much to take, it would ruin my weekend to watch Arsenal play. I idolized Wenger as a kid and defended him forever, and just when it looked like we were gonna climb back up to the top after the 13-14 Ramsey/Özil/FA Cup year, the bottom fell out, and it was heartbreaking for me. I couldn't watch a team with the same flaws (and fewer of the great moments) anymore. But I'll be back in the fall. I know Arteta is inexperienced but I think he has the tools to be a great manager.

Klaus

I think a lot of people know the feeling. Agreed about Arteta, and I think the feeling that the bottom has already fallen out of the club is why so many are surprisingly open to his appointment. As long as he gets us to play nice attacking football again instead of this soulcrushing nonsense we've seen in the last two years it'll be an improvement.

JazzG

ohboy!!! wrote:
I just believe that the infrastructure around Arteta is not proven. This is not a real or Barca where you can just plug and play the manager.

I think it will be alright. What is key is his direct support staff need to be decent or this could get out of control. If Bould & Lehmann stick around they'll be able to give insight on players, I have never thought of either of them as being incompetent, for years there has been talk that Bould's hands have been tied when it comes to working on the defensive side of things. I just hope the people Arteta brings in with them there is experience. People compare this to Moyes at Man Utd but he took over the champions and ruined them. We've finished 5th and 6th last two seasons, this club is in desperate need of new ideas. From what I can gather he worked well with the players at City and was well respected there. Even though he'll have played with many of the players at the club now there is no reason they won't respect him. When he was around he was the biggest influence we had off the pitch. Always had a good relationship with the squad, he talked about in the past when we signed new players he'd go out of his way to help them settle in and his wife would help the players partner as well. No doubt he was very well respected at the club when he was there. He'll come into the club and the players will know he's had a big influence at City so don't buy this nonsense about how they won't look up to him.

We've always found talent but more recently just too slow or don't act on it. Hopefully Sven can improve on that and help with his contacts. The fitness guy came in last year and is looking to rebuild that part of the club, an area which despite loads of pointless investigations which needs further improvement.

Important that unlike Wenger who seemed to be involved with everything the new guy is told to focus mainly on coaching.

Ricky1985

Tony Montana wrote:
Qwiss! wrote:
I'm hoping the bookies are fuelling the Arteta stories. I'll be really disappointed if we end up with him as manager.

Dull, uninspired, safe an easy option.

Get someone different who has no arsenal connection.

I don't see Arteta as a safe option, and certainly not an easy option

I think appointing a more established manager, whose quality is known, in the mould of Wenger--Ancelotti or Pellegrini, for example--without making sweeping changes to the personnel and structure of the coaching/medical setup, would be a much less risky approach. That continuity is in my opinion almost a guarantee that we would see an increase in our performance level and points total for next season. A sort of improved status quo, if you will.

Appointing Arteta, alongside an overhaul of our coaching/medical staff and methods, creates a much greater chance that next season our performance could be markedly worse.

I think it's fair to assume Gazidis and the other board members know very well that this season is a very important one for the club. Another season finishing outside the top four would be disastrous for our financial capability in the short-term and weaken our brand longer-term (further damaging our competitiveness financially).
The only reason for appointing Arteta and increasing the level of risk--since it is clearly not a crowd pleasing choice--is surely because there is a strong enough belief by those making the decision that Arteta has a greater upside than the safer and more popular candidates and can hit the ground running and compete with the 4 or 5 indisputably elite coaches at the clubs we are competing against. If those two beliefs aren't there then it makes no sense whatever to appoint Arteta.

I respect the courage being shown by the club in taking a risk and backing their judgment. I think it's very brave and very bold.

innervisionscm

Klaus wrote:
I think a lot of people know the feeling. Agreed about Arteta, and I think the feeling that the bottom has already fallen out of the club is why so many are surprisingly open to his appointment. As long as he gets us to play nice attacking football again instead of this soulcrushing nonsense we've seen in the last two years it'll be an improvement.

It's really about the infrastructure of the club for me. Well run institutions win trophies in sports. Football clubs have become such complex organizations that Wenger's absolute monarchy became a complete disaster. You need a lot of smart people in specialized roles with some degree of autonomy, and you need leadership that can take on recommendations from everyone else in the building. When Wenger's skills began to deteriorate, and when his line on the best young French talent began to disintegrate, the entire club began to fall apart, and it took two years too long to get rid of him.

The style of the football is important obviously, but I just want that feeling you used to get with Arsenal that you were watching a whole that was greater than the sum of its parts, and supporting a club that was getting a remarkable return on its resources. That comes from good management up and down the club. I hate watching the product of complacency and incompetence, which is what Arsenal became the last four seasons Wenger was here.

mdgoonah41

not related here, since we have no clue who would come in to support him, but i really want to see bergkamp back at the club in some sort of role.

Ray

So looks like Arteta is all but confirmed.

Gazza M

i expect at least another season or two out of the limelight, as arteta gets his sea legs under him and shapes the team to his vision. i'm not opposed to that, as long as there's signs of steady improvement and strong commitment to the type of football we're striving for. i hope the board are prepared for that. judging by the calibre of players we're targeting, it does look like there's an acceptance that we have to once again punch above our weight through clever recruitment and a reliance on youth

Top 4 in his first season would be an outstanding achievement for mikel, given the current state of things. however, i can see the fanbase being impatient with this approach, and also having a mistrust towards the board given the long-standing perception of them being cheapskates and cowards hiding behind wenger

innervisionscm

Arsenal should never get away from clever recruitment and a reliance on youth. Unless you're Barca/Madrid, the bread and butter of a competitive club has to be good scouting and good youth development. That's where you derive a ton of surplus value. Having more revenue should let us buy a Özil-type crown jewel every once in a while as a supplement. Instead we're signing mid-table players like Mustafi for £35m and Lacazette for £50m.

Burnwinter

I do think we've done poorly in both the transfer market and the academy stakes for quite a while. We've seen many stars and solid top flight players emerge at other clubs and we've had Aaron Ramsey to show for it as a standout player more or less, while many of our youngsters don't break through or go backwards.

Somehow the likes of Iwobi, Maitland-Niles and Nelson need to be converted into value. Under the current regime I don't have faith in that happening.

The club needs to press further into the murky business of buying and loaning a significant number of developing players, and of developing players at other clubs, and of being pretty ruthless about it. It's an ugly method but it feels like it's becoming a necessity.

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