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The new guy - Wengs replacement

lorddulaarsenal

Claudius wrote:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-discover-new-manager-replace-12412573

Gary Neville is certain we will announce a new manager next week.
Maybe he’s so certain because that new manager is Gary Neville

Atleast you know he’d bin Mustafi!

goon

Carlo joining Italy apparently, hooray.

Irishgunner

Claudius wrote:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/arsenal-discover-new-manager-replace-12412573

Gary Neville is certain we will announce a new manager next week.
Maybe he’s so certain because that new manager is Gary Neville

goon

Burnwinter wrote:
Disagree. We're going into a period where established stars will be restless, the team will be less settled, and the vultures will be circling. The new manager needs cash in hand to address our deficits, particularly the terrible state of our defence.

"Sustainability" off the pitch should wait on sustainability on the pitch and not vice versa.

And he will. £50m net spend is in line with what everyone bar the two Manchester clubs spend. Chelsea average about 30m a year over the last 3 years. Tottenham and Liverpool can't be far off. You're mental if you think we can compete with the other two financially. Even if we spent beyond our means one summer, we'd pay for it the next two and there's no guarantee it would pay off, United have spent nearly half a billion over the last few years and still look shit. And then we'll be really fucked because unlike United and City, we can't just keep buying until we get it right.

We need to think longer term. We have a fairly large wage budget, if we manage that better we'll have enough to keep the stars happy. See Mesut. With the FFP contraints though it's all the more important to be able to compete with less established names and kids, because we can't have a squad full of guys on 200k a week. It's vital to get someone who can work within those constraints. We're not talking about poverty though, our budget is as big as anyone bar the financially doped clubs.

banduan

Mirth wrote:
Isnt our transfer budget always around 50m + profit from player sales?

Nope, we've had more before. I think the season we brought Mustafi & Xhaka in? We spent a lot then. We were also reputed to have more when our only spend was Cech.

Segway

If the 50m transfer budget is true, which I doubt, then it makes sense if we're going for the likes of Arteta and Vieira who would happily take the job even under those conditions.

Burnwinter

goon wrote:
And he will. £50m net spend is in line with what everyone bar the two Manchester clubs spend. Chelsea average about 30m a year over the last 3 years. Tottenham and Liverpool can't be far off. You're mental if you think we can compete with the other two financially. Even if we spent beyond our means one summer, we'd pay for it the next two and there's no guarantee it would pay off, United have spent nearly half a billion over the last few years and still look shit. And then we'll be really fucked because unlike United and City, we can't just keep buying until we get it right.

A bankroll for our first new manager in twenty-two years is totally doable, and would make sense given our league position and the state of the squad. We're not debt-loaded like some other clubs and we're also very far from being maxed out on straightforward operating income gains as we sit outside the Champions League places.

Note this is not the same as advocating an ongoing program of spending so much the club collapses.

Pepe LeFrits

That 50 mill figure is clearly bullshit.

Coombs

Indeed, absolute nonsense.

BWoolley

Enrique anointed as bookies' favourite - 2/1 odds. Maybe Ballague is right for once.

Coombs

I've suspected Enrique from the moment Sanllehi was brought in.

Clrnc

If the 50m is anywhere near the truth (I highly doubt so, bloody retarded), then I would definitely sell Mustafi, Ospina Welbeck to fund at least 50m on top of that.

So with that 100m, I will focus on goalkeeper as the main priority, then a CB. Whatever that is left, get a maverick like Fekir.

jones

50m isn't much but with decent scouting - which we finally have for the first time in like 15 years - it'll get you enough to improve the squad in key areas. Biggest improvement will obviously come from the new manager, and that one probably won't cost anything.

goon

I don't think £50m net spend is anywhere near as bad as folks on here are making out.

Here's average net spend over the last 5 years in the PL:

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/premier-league-last-five-seasons/transfer-league-tables/premier-league-table-last-five-seasons

Now I know fee's have gone up considerably in the last couple of years, but that works both ways, e.g getting 60m for Ox and Theo. As Jones and Clarence point out, we just need to be a lot smarter.

BWoolley

I'd sell Bellerin too, if we can get something like 40-50M for him. Much rather have that for Malcom/Fekir and a functioning MF.

Klaus

Burnwinter wrote:
😆 Delete your account Klaus, too rude. 🙂

🙂

Burnwinter wrote:
If he'd walked earlier we might be the ones watching Salah pick up Player of the Year. Instead he chose to stay and as you've just been cogently arguing yourself, will leave us with significantly depleted funds and a threadbare squad.

I don't think that one's on Wenger's head though. There's nothing to suggest that Salah was even recommended to him. For whatever reason English clubs don't like Serie A players. I said last summer that the rest of the top clubs in Premier League would regret not going for Salah, and yet Liverpool were the only ones who even tabled a bid. He scored 45 goals and assisted around 30 from the wing in 2.5 seasons in Italy. At 24 you'd think he would've been hot property on the market, but United, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs... no one wanted him. Roma have another player in Nainggolan right now who would instantly be the best midfielder in Premier League, and the only ones who have bid on him is a Chinese club. If someone figures out what's going on here I'd love to know.

There is definitely a lesson to be learned from the Salah transfer, but I think it concerns our scouts a lot more than the manager. We've been the worst top club in the world bar none over the last 5-6 years when it comes to identifying players. The only two top players we managed to attract basically fell into our lap, and they only signed for us because of Wenger. On the other hand the scouts told him not to sign Griezmann even though Wenger was keen. They told him there was no point in getting Kanté. They even went back to watch him a few times to make sure. When we needed to replace Per like three years ago they told us to get Gabriel. Wenger asked about Umtiti whom he had noticed playing for Lyon, and they told him Gabriel was a better bet. It's such an extraordinary level of incompetence. Luckily we've put a lot of money and effort into restructuring the whole scouting setup.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Definitely. Bellerin has been an enormous let-down. Only IF we can get big money for him would it be worth getting rid, though.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Klaus wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:
😆 Delete your account Klaus, too rude. 🙂

🙂

Burnwinter wrote:
If he'd walked earlier we might be the ones watching Salah pick up Player of the Year. Instead he chose to stay and as you've just been cogently arguing yourself, will leave us with significantly depleted funds and a threadbare squad.

I don't think that one's on Wenger's head though. There's nothing to suggest that Salah was even recommended to him. For whatever reason English clubs don't like Serie A players. I said last summer that the rest of the top clubs in Premier League would regret not going for Salah, and yet Liverpool were the only ones who even tabled a bid. He scored 45 goals and assisted around 30 from the wing in 2.5 seasons in Italy. At 24 you'd think he would've been hot property on the market, but United, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs... no one wanted him. Roma have another player in Nainggolan right now who would instantly be the best midfielder in Premier League, and the only ones who have bid on him is a Chinese club. If someone figures out what's going on here I'd love to know.

There is definitely a lesson to be learned from the Salah transfer, but I think it concerns our scouts a lot more than the manager. We've been the worst top club in the world bar none over the last 5-6 years when it comes to identifying players. The only two top players we managed to attract basically fell into our lap, and they only signed for us because of Wenger. On the other hand the scouts told him not to sign Griezmann even though Wenger was keen. They told him there was no point in getting Kanté. They even went back to watch him a few times to make sure. When we needed to replace Per like three years ago they told us to get Gabriel. Wenger asked about Umtiti whom he had noticed playing for Lyon, and they told him Gabriel was a better bet. It's such an extraordinary level of incompetence. Luckily we've put a lot of money and effort into restructuring the whole scouting setup.

Great post.

MistaT

Any interest in Rafa Benitez?

I doubt he'd be a front runner, but he's apparently conflicted about his future at Newcastle as he doubts there's incoming investment. Seems to enjoy a project - which I think we'll be post Wenger - and he'd certainly alleviate some of the laissez faire approach we have to games.

jones

Klaus wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:
😆 Delete your account Klaus, too rude. 🙂

🙂

Burnwinter wrote:
If he'd walked earlier we might be the ones watching Salah pick up Player of the Year. Instead he chose to stay and as you've just been cogently arguing yourself, will leave us with significantly depleted funds and a threadbare squad.

I don't think that one's on Wenger's head though. There's nothing to suggest that Salah was even recommended to him. For whatever reason English clubs don't like Serie A players. I said last summer that the rest of the top clubs in Premier League would regret not going for Salah, and yet Liverpool were the only ones who even tabled a bid. He scored 45 goals and assisted around 30 from the wing in 2.5 seasons in Italy. At 24 you'd think he would've been hot property on the market, but United, Arsenal, Chelsea, City, Spurs... no one wanted him. Roma have another player in Nainggolan right now who would instantly be the best midfielder in Premier League, and the only ones who have bid on him is a Chinese club. If someone figures out what's going on here I'd love to know.

There is definitely a lesson to be learned from the Salah transfer, but I think it concerns our scouts a lot more than the manager. We've been the worst top club in the world bar none over the last 5-6 years when it comes to identifying players. The only two top players we managed to attract basically fell into our lap, and they only signed for us because of Wenger. On the other hand the scouts told him not to sign Griezmann even though Wenger was keen. They told him there was no point in getting Kanté. They even went back to watch him a few times to make sure. When we needed to replace Per like three years ago they told us to get Gabriel. Wenger asked about Umtiti whom he had noticed playing for Lyon, and they told him Gabriel was a better bet. It's such an extraordinary level of incompetence. Luckily we've put a lot of money and effort into restructuring the whole scouting setup.

Let's not exonerate Wenger here though, even disregarding his absent coaching ultimately he makes the calls and what's more he's the one scouting guys in training every day. I remember that Griezmann story, it was the guys who sold him the fraud statDNA malware who convinced him that Griezmann would be poor business - when everyone who watched even a little Erreala knew that this guy was no flash in the pan.

Also in fact we did come back to sign him in 2013 as he stated himself in his biography, he was ecstatic about joining us and told his agent to ignore all other offers. When his agent called Grimandi when the transfer window was about to close he told him to keep waiting, until on deadline day the club told him there would be no transfer. Unless Wenger takes orders from Grimandi I'm pretty sure there's no way to blame the scouting for this one.

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