Debuchy was terrible after he came back from that first injury. Completely disinterested.
Alexandre Lacazette
disiniterested, yes... but i actually meant his last injury.. he came on for one game, and looked good in the first like 30 minutes of that game before he got injured again
Looks like Lyon has got their Lacazette replacement in Bertrand Traore for 15m pounds. I wonder how Chelsea gets so much for their reserves.
They need a Lacazette replacement regardless. He'll leave for Atletico at some point if we don't sign him.
Everywhere I've seen says Lyon paid £8.8m for Traore.
Ricky1985 wrote:Everywhere I've seen says Lyon paid £8.8m for Traore.
Ah. Seems i jumped the gun on that then.
opinion poll time. on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the happiest, how happy would you be if these scenarios happen:
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy lemar, mahrez and lacazette
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy mahrez and aguero
- sanchez stays, ozil stays, we buy lacazette
- sanchez stays, ozil leaves, we buy lemar and lacazette
??
hopefully the first and last time we have to negotiate with aulus
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy lemar, mahrez and lacazette ---- 5
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy mahrez and aguero ------ 4
- sanchez stays, ozil stays, we buy lacazette -------- 6
- sanchez stays, ozil leaves, we buy lemar and lacazette ----- 7
Anything that involves Sanchez leaving is a shit option.
jones wrote:Think Park came in the window Chelsea signed Hazard didn't he? There were reports at the time that Park was snatched when he was already in a hotel to sign a contract with Lille. Not sure if I can see Wenger being petty enough to sign a player just to fuck another club over but there aren't many other scenarios I can think of
Park came in a year before Hazard I think. Wasn't the rumour going around this was him helping out Monaco because they were in debt and needed money quick? Sounds like bs either way.
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy lemar, mahrez and lacazette - 4
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy mahrez and aguero - 4
- sanchez stays, ozil stays, we buy lacazette - 4
- sanchez stays, ozil leaves, we buy lemar and lacazette - 4
We need more this summer. Much more. Özil and Sanchez need to stay and we need top players coming in. Last summer was utter horseshit any way you looked at it. We can't repeat that nonsense. We're not just maintaining status quo this time, we've got ground to make up.
Latest talk in the rags seems to be that AW wants a deal done before the OZ pre-season.
Seems we have made an offer of just under 50m, but that Lyon have now raised their fee to around 57m.
With Aubameyangs fee reportedly around 61m I am surprised we are not all over it considering AWs interest the summer he went to BVB.
mdgoonah41 wrote:opinion poll time. on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the happiest, how happy would you be if these scenarios happen:
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy lemar, mahrez and lacazette
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy mahrez and aguero
- sanchez stays, ozil stays, we buy lacazette
- sanchez stays, ozil leaves, we buy lemar and lacazette
??
5. Sanchez leaves, Ozil leaves, we buy Martial, Lemar, Aubameyang/Lacazette, Mahrez and a CM like Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic.
Aubameyang
Martial - Lemar - Mahrez.
Xhaka - Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic
mdgoonah41 wrote:opinion poll time. on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the happiest, how happy would you be if these scenarios happen:
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy lemar, mahrez and lacazette
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy mahrez and aguero
- sanchez stays, ozil stays, we buy lacazette
- sanchez stays, ozil leaves, we buy lemar and lacazette
??
1 - 3
2 - 4
3 - 5
4 - 7
You reckon we'd be better off with Lemar over Ozil qs?
3 would probably be best for me and I'd only give that a 4/10. I don't consider Ozil and Sanchez staying as plus points given that they were here last year. I'm with Klaus.
Option 3 is the only acceptable option for the frontline. If we are playing 3 4 3, then I will be happy going into big games with Lacazette, Sanchez and Ozil. Team Z.
Any option that includes Sanchez leaving is damn near suicide. That's why I would be willing to give him away for free next season. We absolutely need him to get us back into Top 3-4 this season. To start the season out of top 4 and without Sanchez would feel like someone has taken a dump on our heads after a night of beer and curry
Anzac wrote:5. Sanchez leaves, Ozil leaves, we buy Martial, Lemar, Aubameyang/Lacazette, Mahrez and a CM like Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic.
Aubameyang
Martial - Lemar - Mahrez.
Xhaka - Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic
so basically an entirely new front line and midfield pairing...
yeah, not gonna happen.
USArsenal wrote:Anzac wrote:5. Sanchez leaves, Ozil leaves, we buy Martial, Lemar, Aubameyang/Lacazette, Mahrez and a CM like Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic.
Aubameyang
Martial - Lemar - Mahrez.
Xhaka - Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savicso basically an entirely new front line and midfield pairing...
yeah, not gonna happen.
Agreed - and even less so with aw as manager because it would upset his continuity required for his intuitive style.
Although it's probably what we need, & if you did it right there are ways to minimise the impacts.
Besides which we would be looking at much the same if we lost both Ozil & Sanchez on top of the need to replace Giroud.
Anzac wrote:USArsenal wrote:so basically an entirely new front line and midfield pairing...
yeah, not gonna happen.
Agreed - and even less so with aw as manager because it would upset his continuity required for his intuitive style.
Although it's probably what we need, & if you did it right there are ways to minimise the impacts.
I disagree, I can't think of any manager of a decent level that has completely replaced half of his team in one go.
Tam wrote:Anzac wrote:Agreed - and even less so with aw as manager because it would upset his continuity required for his intuitive style.
Although it's probably what we need, & if you did it right there are ways to minimise the impacts.I disagree, I can't think of any manager of a decent level that has completely replaced half of his team in one go.
Normally because any club of any decent level shouldn't need to have half the team replaced at once,
and most teams wouldn't have the financial resources to do so, let alone the appetite.
Granted it's basically a perfect storm scenario so far as minimising the impacts as it's not easy to do so.
goon wrote:You reckon we'd be better off with Lemar over Ozil qs?
If Sanchez says I'd happily say good bye to Ozil assuming someone else of quality was coming in, like Lemar. We know what Ozil can do, we know how often he does it. Lemar would be gambling a bit compared to Ozil but its a gamble I'd be willing to make assuming Sanchez stays. If he goes I'd do more to keep Ozil.
Anzac wrote:Latest talk in the rags seems to be that AW wants a deal done before the OZ pre-season.
Seems we have made an offer of just under 50m, but that Lyon have now raised their fee to around 57m.
With Aubameyangs fee reportedly around 61m I am surprised we are not all over it considering AWs interest the summer he went to BVB.
I heavily doubt Aubameyang is only going to cost 60m. The Dortmund director said if someone made that bid then they will listen. It's basically the bid amount that would get them to the table to negotiate.
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[size=medium][font=Indy Serif]Speaking to Bild, Watze said: “We will listen to it when a club is willing to show its appreciation for Aubameyang in a financial way as well.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=Indy Serif]“If an official bid were to reach more than £63million, it would have to be reported as a necessary to proceed. This has not happened so far.”[/font][/size]
I doubt Aubameyang would want to join a club in his prime that's not in the CL. We'd have to offer him crazy wages and a long term contract to even get him curious.
The bullshitter extraordinaire has spoken:
Anything he says needs to be taken with a massive pinch of salt but it certainly doesn't seem like this is as imminent as the recent reports suggest.
I hope he's right though. Money straight down the toilet.
It could also mean that we've gotten positive indications from a more important target and have backed off Lacazette. If it means anything at all.
this is starting to feel like the suarez-higuain situation, backing off a done deal in the hopes of getting someone better.
hopefully this time we're not left holding nothing but our proverbial dick laws in our hands
Klaus wrote:I hope he's right though. Money straight down the toilet.
It could also mean that we've gotten positive indications from a more important target and have backed off Lacazette. If it means anything at all.
Wishful thinking I reckon. I suspect it's more likely we either (a) want to haggle on price or (b) have dropped out completely because of price.
Bryant wrote:Anzac wrote:Latest talk in the rags seems to be that AW wants a deal done before the OZ pre-season.
Seems we have made an offer of just under 50m, but that Lyon have now raised their fee to around 57m.
With Aubameyangs fee reportedly around 61m I am surprised we are not all over it considering AWs interest the summer he went to BVB.I heavily doubt Aubameyang is only going to cost 60m. The Dortmund director said if someone made that bid then they will listen. It's basically the bid amount that would get them to the table to negotiate.
[size=medium][font=Indy Serif]Last season’s Bundesliga top scorer had a transfer scramble over him sparked after Dortmund’s CEO Hans-Joachim Watzke stated that the club would listen to any offer that showed “its appreciation” for the player in a “a financial way”.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=Indy Serif]Speaking to Bild, Watze said: “We will listen to it when a club is willing to show its appreciation for Aubameyang in a financial way as well.[/font][/size]
[size=medium][font=Indy Serif]“If an official bid were to reach more than £63million, it would have to be reported as a necessary to proceed. This has not happened so far.”[/font][/size]I doubt Aubameyang would want to join a club in his prime that's not in the CL. We'd have to offer him crazy wages and a long term contract to even get him curious.
Had seen another article where BVB had confirmed he was available for around 61-63m.
Point is that even at Higuaín & Pogba figures we're still talking about 1/3 less than the current figures associated with Mbappe, which makes it less likely we'd spend that sort of money on a half season wonder kid aged 18.
As for Lacazette I suspect we are being dicked about by Aulas & that signing Lacazette is about as likely as signing Mbappe, and that I'd rather ask the question re Aubameyang.
Problem being is that AW has repeatedly said he will not bid for a player if he is told they are not for sale, let alone anything to do with his valuations. IMO his refusal to even meet a release clause is little short of bloody mindedness and arrogance.
Don Pacifico wrote:Klaus wrote:I hope he's right though. Money straight down the toilet.
It could also mean that we've gotten positive indications from a more important target and have backed off Lacazette. If it means anything at all.
Wishful thinking I reckon. I suspect it's more likely we either (a) want to haggle on price or (b) have dropped out completely because of price.
IMO there is more chance we end up scrambling after Bacca only to end up holding our dicks,
at which point I'd hope AW can still add some genuine quality where needed to encourage Sanchez to remain and play as CF.
If we're going for someone purely for goals, Icardi would be more worth it.
Ray wrote:If we're going for someone purely for goals, Icardi would be more worth it.
Yeah but Inter don't seem very receptive to a reasonable offer. They've put a €115m price tag on him.
Gazza M wrote:this is starting to feel like the suarez-higuain situation, backing off a done deal in the hopes of getting someone better.
hopefully this time we're not left holding nothing but our proverbial dick laws in our hands
It sounds like we are the only ones after Lacazette though so means we can keep pursuing the Mbappe deal and have this to fall back on for the time being.
We are the only ones in for him until we are not.
Anzac wrote:Had seen another article where BVB had confirmed he was available for around 61-63m.
Point is that even at Higuaín & Pogba figures we're still talking about 1/3 less than the current figures associated with Mbappe, which makes it less likely we'd spend that sort of money on a half season wonder kid aged 18.As for Lacazette I suspect we are being dicked about by Aulas & that signing Lacazette is about as likely as signing Mbappe, and that I'd rather ask the question re Aubameyang.
Problem being is that AW has repeatedly said he will not bid for a player if he is told they are not for sale, let alone anything to do with his valuations. IMO his refusal to even meet a release clause is little short of bloody mindedness and arrogance.
http://www.fussballtransfers.com/bundesliga/medien-aubameyang-geht-nach-china_79111
Some Chinese team is willing to bid 80m euros and give Aubameyang a 30m euro salary. He's not going to cost 61-63m pounds. You are right though, its strange how we are not even considering Aubameyang.
What do you guys prefer: getting Lacazette right now or failing to get Mbappe and then getting Lacazette much later?
seems like aubas wages were a turn off for all the european clubs
if we try to get lacazette later after failing to get mbappe, you can be sure aulus will slug us with a price hike
First bid rejected but negotiation still on. Ornstein from BBC.
No way we are getting both him and Mbappe.
I already hate this transfer window more than the one where we only signed Petr Cech.
That can't be true Klaus 
Lacazette is more of an opportunist move which I can understand why. Wenger is an admirer for him after being rebuffed last year, so with the move to Atleti fortuitously failing we are making sure we don't regret not moving for him again.
Imagine if Atlei didn't get a transfer ban though, we would be all Mbappe or nothing which is risky.
Klaus wrote:I already hate this transfer window more than the one where we only signed Petr Cech.
laca and mahrez incoming
Seriously, if we end up with those two I'm quitting Arsenal. There has to be some kind of limit to our ineptitude.