For fear as being lambasted for being optimistic, it sounds as if for once we are organized - 1st choice was Mbappe but we move on to back up plan either in parallel cause we know we don't have great chances or we know Mbappe is not coming. Maybe we did learn our lesson.
On Lacazette specifically, if we retain Ozil and Sanchez I think he'll be a good fit. He has the qualities that Wellbeck has in terms of pace and workrate, but can actually make intelligent runs and score.
The one thing that gives me hope about him is that Ateltico wanted to sign him. And Atletico's record with strikers is pretty amazing.
Either that or they just buy a lot of strikers. Vietto and Jackson didn't exactly work out.
Quincy Abeyie wrote:Either that or they just buy a lot of strikers. Vietto and Jackson didn't exactly work out.
Or Gameiro. The jury is still out on Correa as well.
We have Sanchez, Welbeck, Walcott, Lucas and Giroud as our striking options. Regardless of what happens later in the summer, securing Lacazette this week would be wise. I imagine summer camp starts in the next 10 days. It would be good to go in with a strengthened forward line, considering that Sanchez probably won't appear until the week of the Community Shield.
After being rather vocal about my contempt for this signing, I decided to watch a video compilation of his career goals with Lyon. One thing I was impressed with was the variety of goals/finishes in his repertoire. I do still maintain reservations given what he's actually achieved in his career to date and the general quality of the French league but I'm cautiously optimistic.
Price is a joke though and if this is our only attack-minded signing, then I don't think it makes a change in ambition.
He's a good striker and someone that'll do well for you, pretty much what you've been in need of since Van Persie left, but don't change your opinion of him based on youtube.
The only way he'll be a great signing is if he somehow clicks, bit like Adebayor in 07/08. Its worked for Wenger in the past but not for a while and the fact that it's someone we've turned our nose up at in the past doesn't fill me with confidence.
Don Pacifico wrote:
After being rather vocal about my contempt for this signing, I decided to watch a video compilation of his career goals with Lyon. One thing I was impressed with was the variety of goals/finishes in his repertoire. I do still maintain reservations given what he's actually achieved in his career to date and the general quality of the French league but I'm cautiously optimistic.Price is a joke though and if this is our only attack-minded signing, then I don't think it makes a change in ambition.
hmm until this season there weren't that many penalty goals. The way people were talking about him earlier, you'd have thought he was a penalty merchant.
Why did we sign Lucas? I don't get it.
TBH whilst I'd prefer Lacazette ahead of our current options, I get the feeling that he's not any sort of statement signing despite his last 2 seasons.
Reports are that Aubameyang is available for 63m = less than 10m more than what we are looking at for Lacazette, and he has a bigger reputation as a CF to the point IIRC he was touted as being the ST most like TH until Mbappe.
Is anyone able to give any observations re each?
Is either better suited to any particular style?
flobaba wrote:Why did we sign Lucas? I don't get it.
Given how big a part he played in our FA Cup run, it is all worth it.
The part I don't get is, he's been so effective in the final 3rd but Wenger hasn't gave him much chances to adapt to the team.
Qwiss! wrote:Gazza M wrote:i stand corrected, i was looking at goals in all comps. the point i was (poorly) trying to make is that is that his prolific numbers in france might not translate to england. when you're a guy thats all about goals and little else that's a problem
Thats true but its a gamble I think we need to take. There are nice fantasy wishlists about Aubameyang, Mbappe, etc but we are talking about the same Arsenal manager and CEO that have signed strikers like Welbeck, Lucas and Sanogo since van Persie left. Lacazette is a big step up from that.
I'm not expecting Lacazette to be anything more than a goal scorer. His runs and finishing are top drawer. He's quick and he's lethal. If we could keep Ozil and Sanchez I think it'd be a really strong front 3. If they go who replaces them will make or break how successful Lacazette can be.
i agree. i said at the start of the window that i'm at the point where i'd take lacazette over 'powder dry' status
flobaba wrote:Why did we sign Lucas? I don't get it.
Why did we sign Park? And Debuchy? And diverse others? What is the meaning of Arsene?
I'm convinced we signed Park because Wenger lost bet with someone.
Either that or it was some kind of 'dinner with schmucks' kind of thing whereby old Wengy was required to buy a striker and then troll supporters by never actually playing him.
Think Park came in the window Chelsea signed Hazard didn't he? There were reports at the time that Park was snatched when he was already in a hotel to sign a contract with Lille. Not sure if I can see Wenger being petty enough to sign a player just to fuck another club over but there aren't many other scenarios I can think of
See my posts Jones. Only possible explanations.
.. or we fucked around with real targets and had money to blow.
Strange thing is.. Park (as well as Lucas and even Debuchy) were brought in with pretty decent reputations. Not playing Park at all was mind boggling to be honest. As for Lucas, well, for some reason Wenger doesnt trust him (though, not sure why since he's shown ability and work rate and skill in every game he's played for us). Debuchy was not a bad player at all. Unfortunately, he suffered the really early injury with us, and Bellerin took his chance. Even when Deb came in that one game on his return, he looked pretty decent (until he got hurt again).
Debuchy was terrible after he came back from that first injury. Completely disinterested.
disiniterested, yes... but i actually meant his last injury.. he came on for one game, and looked good in the first like 30 minutes of that game before he got injured again
Looks like Lyon has got their Lacazette replacement in Bertrand Traore for 15m pounds. I wonder how Chelsea gets so much for their reserves.
They need a Lacazette replacement regardless. He'll leave for Atletico at some point if we don't sign him.
Everywhere I've seen says Lyon paid £8.8m for Traore.
Ricky1985 wrote:Everywhere I've seen says Lyon paid £8.8m for Traore.
Ah. Seems i jumped the gun on that then.
opinion poll time. on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the happiest, how happy would you be if these scenarios happen:
??
hopefully the first and last time we have to negotiate with aulus
Anything that involves Sanchez leaving is a shit option.
jones wrote:Think Park came in the window Chelsea signed Hazard didn't he? There were reports at the time that Park was snatched when he was already in a hotel to sign a contract with Lille. Not sure if I can see Wenger being petty enough to sign a player just to fuck another club over but there aren't many other scenarios I can think of
Park came in a year before Hazard I think. Wasn't the rumour going around this was him helping out Monaco because they were in debt and needed money quick? Sounds like bs either way.
We need more this summer. Much more. Özil and Sanchez need to stay and we need top players coming in. Last summer was utter horseshit any way you looked at it. We can't repeat that nonsense. We're not just maintaining status quo this time, we've got ground to make up.
Latest talk in the rags seems to be that AW wants a deal done before the OZ pre-season.
Seems we have made an offer of just under 50m, but that Lyon have now raised their fee to around 57m.
With Aubameyangs fee reportedly around 61m I am surprised we are not all over it considering AWs interest the summer he went to BVB.
mdgoonah41 wrote:opinion poll time. on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the happiest, how happy would you be if these scenarios happen:
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy lemar, mahrez and lacazette
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy mahrez and aguero
- sanchez stays, ozil stays, we buy lacazette
- sanchez stays, ozil leaves, we buy lemar and lacazette
??
5. Sanchez leaves, Ozil leaves, we buy Martial, Lemar, Aubameyang/Lacazette, Mahrez and a CM like Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic.
Aubameyang
Martial - Lemar - Mahrez.
Xhaka - Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic
mdgoonah41 wrote:opinion poll time. on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the happiest, how happy would you be if these scenarios happen:
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy lemar, mahrez and lacazette
- sanchez leaves, ozil stays, we buy mahrez and aguero
- sanchez stays, ozil stays, we buy lacazette
- sanchez stays, ozil leaves, we buy lemar and lacazette
??
1 - 3
2 - 4
3 - 5
4 - 7
You reckon we'd be better off with Lemar over Ozil qs?
3 would probably be best for me and I'd only give that a 4/10. I don't consider Ozil and Sanchez staying as plus points given that they were here last year. I'm with Klaus.
Option 3 is the only acceptable option for the frontline. If we are playing 3 4 3, then I will be happy going into big games with Lacazette, Sanchez and Ozil. Team Z.
Any option that includes Sanchez leaving is damn near suicide. That's why I would be willing to give him away for free next season. We absolutely need him to get us back into Top 3-4 this season. To start the season out of top 4 and without Sanchez would feel like someone has taken a dump on our heads after a night of beer and curry
Anzac wrote:5. Sanchez leaves, Ozil leaves, we buy Martial, Lemar, Aubameyang/Lacazette, Mahrez and a CM like Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic.
Aubameyang
Martial - Lemar - Mahrez.
Xhaka - Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic
so basically an entirely new front line and midfield pairing...
yeah, not gonna happen.
USArsenal wrote:Anzac wrote:5. Sanchez leaves, Ozil leaves, we buy Martial, Lemar, Aubameyang/Lacazette, Mahrez and a CM like Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savic.
Aubameyang
Martial - Lemar - Mahrez.
Xhaka - Goretzka / Milinkovic-Savicso basically an entirely new front line and midfield pairing...
yeah, not gonna happen.
Agreed - and even less so with aw as manager because it would upset his continuity required for his intuitive style.
Although it's probably what we need, & if you did it right there are ways to minimise the impacts.
Besides which we would be looking at much the same if we lost both Ozil & Sanchez on top of the need to replace Giroud.
Anzac wrote:USArsenal wrote:so basically an entirely new front line and midfield pairing...
yeah, not gonna happen.
Agreed - and even less so with aw as manager because it would upset his continuity required for his intuitive style.
Although it's probably what we need, & if you did it right there are ways to minimise the impacts.
I disagree, I can't think of any manager of a decent level that has completely replaced half of his team in one go.
Tam wrote:Anzac wrote:Agreed - and even less so with aw as manager because it would upset his continuity required for his intuitive style.
Although it's probably what we need, & if you did it right there are ways to minimise the impacts.I disagree, I can't think of any manager of a decent level that has completely replaced half of his team in one go.
Normally because any club of any decent level shouldn't need to have half the team replaced at once,
and most teams wouldn't have the financial resources to do so, let alone the appetite.
Granted it's basically a perfect storm scenario so far as minimising the impacts as it's not easy to do so.
