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http://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3159491/psg-ready-to-swoop-in-and-trigger-neymars-andeuro

This Neymar rumour in full effect now. This is the star that would truly place PSG at football's high table. It would be horrible for teams like us given the inflationary pressure it would place on the prices of the elite players, probably locking us out forever from acquiring such talents (not that we show much interest now).

Delighted for anything that weakens Barca. Does not matter how much money you have. Neymar is a top 10 talent in world football, and you don't replace those easily. Maybe they make a bid for Mmmbop but he's still at least 2-3 years away from being Neymar

Hopefully it's true but these sorts of stories are usually BS. It's funny, in today's market £195m probably represents decent value.

If clubs are willing to pay £100m+ for Mbappe just because he has the potential of basically becoming the new Neymar, I agree that £195m doesn't sound too bad.

Like I said previously the football governing organizations have to find a way to curb this. It is unsustainable and silly.

And it's not only clubs in general, we're talking about Arsenal under Wenger willing to spend 100m+ on an 18 year old kid. 195m for Neymar is basically right where the market is at.

I'm pretty sure we'll regret selling Szczesny.

flobaba wrote:

Like I said previously the football governing organizations have to find a way to curb this. It is unsustainable and silly.

I think we'll see 2 markets - one for PL revenues and one for the rest.
Clubs will charge premium prices to PL clubs, and those in receipt of PL revenues,
just as we experienced when negotiating to buy Higuaín and his price went up by 20m once Napoli showed interest after selling Cavani to PSG for big bucks.
The other impact could see the market price non PL clubs out of the field so that PL spending becomes the new 'trigger' rather than the Euro Elite like RM.

Jed wrote:

I'm pretty sure we'll regret selling Szczesny.

why

Guess he feels Cech is over the hill and Ospina although a solid backup isn't exactly super dependable or can't be seen as "one for the future".

In this market he may have a point

Jed wrote:

I'm pretty sure we'll regret selling Szczesny.

Only if we don't replace him with quality to challenge Cech for the #1 position.

Claudius wrote:

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3159491/psg-ready-to-swoop-in-and-trigger-neymars-andeuro

This Neymar rumour in full effect now. This is the star that would truly place PSG at football's high table. It would be horrible for teams like us given the inflationary pressure it would place on the prices of the elite players, probably locking us out forever from acquiring such talents (not that we show much interest now).

Bit catastrophic Claude.

Other than the injection of vast amounts of capital into the whole sport, which would in turn require the commercial value of broadcast packages to somehow skyrocket further and would see that money rapidly filter out to the lesser clubs, there's no force on earth that can sustain valuations approaching £200m for a significant number of players (say enough to field an XI vs XI) at the moment.

I already regret us selling Chesney. But apparently good keepers are sprouting everywhere so eh whatever.

Burnwinter wrote:
Claudius wrote:

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/79/post/3159491/psg-ready-to-swoop-in-and-trigger-neymars-andeuro

This Neymar rumour in full effect now. This is the star that would truly place PSG at football's high table. It would be horrible for teams like us given the inflationary pressure it would place on the prices of the elite players, probably locking us out forever from acquiring such talents (not that we show much interest now).

Bit catastrophic Claude.

Other than the injection of vast amounts of capital into the whole sport, which would in turn require the commercial value of broadcast packages to somehow skyrocket further and would see that money rapidly filter out to the lesser clubs, there's no force on earth that can sustain valuations approaching £200m for a significant number of players (say enough to field an XI vs XI) at the moment.

It's probably doable in the instance that a club has the money. Last year they had a 520m Euro revenue. If they are smart and sign this guy on to a very long contract (5 years), then they can ammortize that 200m Euro over 5 years to 40m per year. Problem is once they add wages of 20m Euro a year, then you're sitting at 60m Euro cost per year to have the guy. That's some 12% of revenue. I imagine they will have to sell to make it happen, but fortunately for them, they have an abundance of wonderful players who can be disposed. 

For us specifically, I do not expect a sudden surge of 200m pound players, but such a price legitimises your 90m pound Pogba and your 50m pound Walkers.  It probably emboldens Monaco to stick with the alleged valuations of Lemar and Mbappe

I'm not sickened by the Neymar price as others are simply because of the vastness of it. I hate it because only 3-4 clubs could in the present day ever dream of spending anything approaching that kind of money. It's a real 1% club that makes football feel ugly and unequal 

Claudius wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:

Bit catastrophic Claude.

Other than the injection of vast amounts of capital into the whole sport, which would in turn require the commercial value of broadcast packages to somehow skyrocket further and would see that money rapidly filter out to the lesser clubs, there's no force on earth that can sustain valuations approaching £200m for a significant number of players (say enough to field an XI vs XI) at the moment.

It's probably doable in the instance that a club has the money. Last year they had a 520m Euro revenue. If they are smart and sign this guy on to a very long contract (5 years), then they can ammortize that 200m Euro over 5 years to 40m per year. Problem is once they add wages of 20m Euro a year, then you're sitting at 60m Euro cost per year to have the guy. That's some 12% of revenue. I imagine they will have to sell to make it happen, but fortunately for them, they have an abundance of wonderful players who can be disposed. 

For us specifically, I do not expect a sudden surge of 200m pound players, but such a price legitimises your 90m pound Pogba and your 50m pound Walkers.  It probably emboldens Monaco to stick with the alleged valuations of Lemar and Mbappe

I'm not sickened by the Neymar price as others are simply because of the vastness of it. I hate it because only 3-4 clubs could in the present day ever dream of spending anything approaching that kind of money. It's a real 1% club that makes football feel ugly and unequal 

You should try following a midtable non-PL club from time to time, if only for transfer season. You'll change your feelings on what constitutes the top 1% real quick I suspect

Well, 1% being 3 clubs suggests a pool of 300 clubs. That's about 15 European top leagues, which gets you down to Aberdeens and Maccabi Haifas of this world. PSG, Real, Barca and United are true 1 per centers. We are 98th percentile 😆

USArsenal wrote:
Jed wrote:

I'm pretty sure we'll regret selling Szczesny.

why

Top goalkeeper who is entering his prime. We suffered through his mistakes and now that he's ironed them out, Juventus are about to benefit for a meagre £10m.

Meanwhile, our no1 is an old, washed up Chelsea reject.

He made a good amount errors for Roma though. People just worry because it's Juve who are picking him up, but Juve pick up a large number of players all the time.

Anfield 1884 wrote:

He made a good amount errors for Roma though. People just worry because it's Juve who are picking him up, but Juve pick up a large number of players all the time.

Those people just did not watch Serie A. He's nowhere near exceptional at Roma and still made some really bad positioning errors.

Yep. Like I said in the other thread, he's going for €12 million and Roma didn't jump on the offer.

Morata to Chelsea almost done for the fee Madrid wanted, 80m euros. Better signing than Lukaku?

Better signing than both Lacazette and Lukaku by a country mile.

Manchester City reportedly have agreed to sign right back Danilo from Real Madrid for 30 million.

Why would you buy two right backs for a combined price of 80 million ?

Because money is not an object to you.

mentalvortex wrote:

Manchester City reportedly have agreed to sign right back Danilo from Real Madrid for 30 million.

Why would you buy two right backs for a combined price of 80 million ?

Yeah don't get it either. PSG activating Neymar's release clause for 200m is insane too, I mean you could buy 4 Kyle Walkers instead.

Not unless you had a cloning machine or would take 3 other non Spurs players named Kyle Walker, in which case you could buy hundreds

Clrnc wrote:

Morata to Chelsea almost done for the fee Madrid wanted, 80m euros. Better signing than Lukaku?

No. Mourinho might manage to curb Lukakus goal scoring though.

Chelsea have downgraded from Costa to Morata, it will be interesting to see how he does in the PL.

Looking forward to seeing him. I've always had my doubts about him.

Until he actually produces a top season people will have doubts. I think he'll do well enough but I don't see him being amazing just yet. Who knows.

i'm seeing 58m + clauses. that's a pretty good deal. he's a downgrade on costa presently, but i think he'll grow into a more than able replacement

I know Morata is talented and all, but 60m pounds for a guy who has never been a starter is outrageous. Also doesn't seem to really excel at anything, I've never noticed any outstanding attributes. It will be interesting to see how he does in the league as the main man.

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With all of Mendy's pathetic Twitter 'clues', I really thought an agreement must have been very close. It could well still be of course, Sky are generally full of shit.

wonder if monaco's players will start to publicly grumble about all these rejected bids that are piling up

They say they won't stand in a player's way if they want to leave, but turning down a bid like that for a player like him flies in the face of that statement.

I'm guessing it's down to their efforts to try and keep Mbappe, as otherwise I can't see them being all that fussed at the idea of losing Mendy for £45m. Or maybe they just think he's worth more considering what City paid for Walker.

They have every right to demand 55-60m given Walker cost 50m.

mentalvortex wrote:

Manchester City reportedly have agreed to sign right back Danilo from Real Madrid for 30 million.

Why would you buy two right backs for a combined price of 80 million ?

The bigger question is why you would spend 30 million on Danilo? He's garbage...would rather many a RB than him.