Savz wrote:

Still gotta assume.. I know nothing about this man.

He could have made a couple bad choices as a teenager only to realise his mistakes later on in life. He may look at the tattoo and hate it. Nobody knows, but we got a couple guys in here talking amongst themselves insinuating that he's definitely a Nazi, he should know a bit more before saying he's definitely one, right?

You need to follow some of these trains of thought to their logical conclusion.

Exactly one thread over from this one, you're advocating for young Muslim men who've committed no crime to be put in administrative detention and re-educated on suspicion of "susceptibility to radicalisation".

Stop saying that, I'm not advocating for innocent people to be put into a detention center. If they have reason to believe somebody is being radicalised or is a certified fanatic, to which they have solid proof, then I am for that person being placed in a detention center and re-educated, hopefully it'll bring that person back to fucking reality.

Your first and second sentences seem to directly contradict each other to my eyes.

You're advocating for ordinary people who've committed no recognised offence (beyond perhaps a newly invented "susceptibility to radicalisation") to be placed in a special facility. Meanwhile every extenuating circumstance should be considered in the case of a working police officer covered in white supremacist tattoos.

This is honestly not antagonistic, but you tell me, because that's what I'm reading.

Meatwad wrote:
Rex wrote:

Because he has a dog named Rommel and a tattoo which says 'Fatherland' on his forearm? May want to google both those before you reply.

so because a nazi got fed up in '44 or '45 and was supportive of a plot to kill hitler means he was a good one? nothing significant happened before he got fed up? he's scum whether he's viewed as a hero in germany or not. and he had jewish slaves or unpaid servants if that's more delicate when he was in north africa.

I was definitely not disagreeing with you.

Burnwinter wrote:

Your first and second sentences seem to directly contradict each other to my eyes.

You're advocating for ordinary people who've committed no recognised offence (beyond perhaps a newly invented "susceptibility to radicalisation") to be placed in a special facility. Meanwhile every extenuating circumstance should be considered in the case of a working police officer covered in white supremacist tattoos.

This is honestly not antagonistic, but you tell me, because that's what I'm reading.

Lets keep the discussion of France to its own thread please.

Aye aye, no prob, it was a compare and contrast exercise.

Rex wrote:
Meatwad wrote:

so because a nazi got fed up in '44 or '45 and was supportive of a plot to kill hitler means he was a good one? nothing significant happened before he got fed up? he's scum whether he's viewed as a hero in germany or not. and he had jewish slaves or unpaid servants if that's more delicate when he was in north africa.

I was definitely not disagreeing with you.

oh ok my bad. it's just that when this was making the rounds last week people were making excuses for this copper talking about how rommel was admired by the allies and how he was involved in a plot to kill hitler and he's one of the few people from that time that's still respected in germany. a bunch of plea copping.

The picture of the cop is a disgrace and judging by his tats his motive as to naming his dog Rommel seems pretty clear.

Rommel was not a Nazi however, but a member of the German officer core and a veteran from WW1, and those jewish slaves you're talking about Hitler had ordered killed, but Rommel refused to obey the order, which could have gotten him killed if Hitler found out.

Again I'm not defending the copper in the least, there are other parts of Rommels story that put him in a less favorable light and I could discuss that in depth but this has come a long way from the 49'ers back up QB.

Rommel wasn't a staunch Nazi but he was a dedicated follower of Hitler (possibly not even as admiring of him as the other way round), a committed man of war. Saying he's "respected" in Germany however is completely wrong, outside of extreme far right circles nobody in their right mind would ever have anything positive to say about him, not even here, and rightly so.

my only knowledge him came from the history channel and according to them:

http://www.history.com/news/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-erwin-rommel

Unlike other prominent World War II-era Germans, Rommel has escaped mass vilification. In fact, his name still graces two military bases and several streets in Germany, and a monument in his hometown praises him as “chivalrous,” “brave” and a “victim of tyranny.”

His hometown is a village in the middle of nowhere. Local glorification of tyrants happens everywhere, it's usually not exactly relevant to their overall assessment in society, even if that itself is more often than not grossly distorted. In Rommel's case it's not, he's not listed in the same category of Nazis as Göring, Goebbels or Heß but for what it's worth I don't think most Germans even know that he wasn't a "real" Nazi.

Fuck him anyways, he was a war criminal regardless of his personal ideology

jones wrote:

Fuck him anyways, he was a war criminal regardless of his personal ideology

Agreed, fuck him and all "noble Nazis", and Churchill too to be quite honest.

Burnwinter wrote:
jones wrote:

Fuck him anyways, he was a war criminal regardless of his personal ideology

Agreed, fuck him and all "noble Nazis", and Churchill too to be quite honest.

That's quite a black and white way to view the world. You are fine with putting Stauffenberg in with Himmler and Göring? 

I'm not saying everyone's the same, but I am saying one shouldn't erase the complicity of a violent system's senior officials in that system's violence.

At some stage we'll all have to start giving people a social and material penalty for extracting value from that sort of role in our own time—doing so with respect to the historical record is a preparatory discipline.

Kel Varnsen wrote:

figures you would post that. that's why i got my own guns. i've never called the racist pigs asking for help and never will.

You do have a point as the police are your fellow Americans.

BTW, i thought Kel posted that for an entirely different reason ...

Jens wrote:
Burnwinter wrote:

Agreed, fuck him and all "noble Nazis", and Churchill too to be quite honest.

That's quite a black and white way to view the world. You are fine with putting Stauffenberg in with Himmler and Göring? 

Stauffenberg was a staunch national socialist, racist and fascist for most of his career in the NSDAP and probably wouldn't have turned against Hitler if it weren't for him losing the war - fuck him indeed, even if he wasn't as bad as Himmler and Göring. If there's any prominent ex-Nazi I'd class differently it'd be the real mastermind behind Operation Valkyrie, Henning von Tresckow, but even his motives weren't exactly pure

Bold Tone wrote:

You do have a point as the police are your fellow Americans.

BTW, i thought Kel posted that for an entirely different reason ...

so it wasn't the typical beta libertarian (real libertarians can protect themselves and their property) bullshit you get from trey and matt and all these other ayn rand fanboys?

Matt and Trey were much funnier when they were topical and took no prisoners but they have now been churning out rubbish for more than a decade.

Meatwad wrote:
Bold Tone wrote:

You do have a point as the police are your fellow Americans.

BTW, i thought Kel posted that for an entirely different reason ...

so it wasn't the typical beta libertarian (real libertarians can protect themselves and their property) bullshit you get from trey and matt and all these other ayn rand fanboys?

Talk about missing the point completely..  😆

Bold Tone wrote:

Matt and Trey were much funnier when they were topical and took no prisoners but they have now been churning out rubbish for more than a decade.

They've been cashing in on South Park for years now, they even admitted it was stale a few years ago. Book of Mormon is quite funny. I don't think their hearts in the show. Their politics are as juvenile as their comedy though.

South Park isn't as good as it once was but I don't know how you can possibly call it rubbish compared to all the other truly ridiculous shite on television. It's still worth watching for a strong episode once in a while. And that commercial was hilarious. "Colin Kaaaepernick is a good back-up" come on that was pretty good.

Kel Varnsen wrote:
Meatwad wrote:

so it wasn't the typical beta libertarian (real libertarians can protect themselves and their property) bullshit you get from trey and matt and all these other ayn rand fanboys?

Talk about missing the point completely..  😆

so the point wasn't "hate cops until you need cops"?

Meatwad wrote:
Kel Varnsen wrote:

Talk about missing the point completely..  😆

so the point wasn't "hate cops until you need cops"?

Yes, on the surface that is the message. However the mob in South Park are usually portrayed as sheep and/or maniacs. Notice Stan and Kyle aren't singing along.

Jens wrote:
Meatwad wrote:

so the point wasn't "hate cops until you need cops"?

Yes, on the surface that is the message. However the mob in South Park are usually portrayed as sheep and/or maniacs. Notice Stan and Kyle aren't singing along.

then i didn't miss  the point. they're saying everyone wants to jump on the criticize cops bandwagon until they need them then you see how great they are ... like we already do. this is a shot at anyone who has the gall to think cops need to get checked. as long as cops protect betas like trey and matt they're cool with whatever they do to the others cause that's not their problem.

South Park has pointed out and ridiculed police brutality against blacks, and police incompetency in general numerous times as well though.

Last season was amazing actually, and nowhere near a libertarian charicature of recent events. It was pretty nuanced and even-handed while still funny

Haven't ever really watched South Park, but the old episode with "coffee-coloured" impoverished migrants from the future travelling back in time to "take our jerbs" was quite a work of genius in many respects.

Burnwinter wrote:

Haven't ever really watched South Park, but the old episode with "coffee-coloured" impoverished migrants from the future travelling back in time to "take our jerbs" was quite a work of genius in many respects.

Thats from season 7, right in the middle of the shows strongest run. Legendary episode.

I agree with El Genio, South Park was sliding for a while but the last two seasons have been strong.

Hasn't the last couple of seasons been about straw manning PC culture?

Which is your favourite South Park episode?
e: i liked the Schindler's List episode.
Don't click if you don't like major boobage.

Good on the kid.

My only comment on kaepernick and other athletes is : what took y'all mofos so long.

Good start, but it has to be a United effort. America really only cares when something affects its image or it's bottom line.

Imagine the look if ALL the black athletes took a knee or refused to stand before every sporting event where the anthem is played. Won't that be something?! Football, basketball, baseball.

Shame the country into real action. This current mentality that- It's okay to cheer them on when their on tv competing and winning for your teams is cool, But outside of that, it's okay that they are second class citizens- has to end.

Has to be a united effort though, or else it'll fizzle out.

God bless you, CK.

I'd like to see an Australian indigenous footballer do this in the AFL finals series and get the backing of his teammates. He'd have to be a brave man in this country though.

Meatwad wrote:

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/09/13/superintendent-backs-lower-lake-teen-who-refused-to-pledge-allegiance/

this teacher has no shame. requiring a native american to recite the pledge of allegiance or else. the supreme court settled this for everyone in the 1940s, but even if they didn't she's a native american. if anyone is excused from that nonsense it's them.

The pledge of allegiance is nuts. No one should be reciting that crazy nationalist shit in schools.

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