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Kaepernick

Bryant

Burnwinter wrote:
Haven't really been following the Kaepernick story, but if it involves a black man in the US pointing out a good number of white cops are racists, and that the rate of black death by cop is an abomination … good?

It's a complicated story Burnwinter. He is/was in danger of getting released from his contract, and there's some that believe this was a desperation ploy to make him relevant and prevent the 49ers from releasing him.

To his credit, he is donating $1 million dollars to various organizations after these stories.

Meatwad

and those some people are full of shit and trying to distract from his point. his $12m salary for 2016 was fully guaranteed on Mar 31. if this was some ploy to protect his money he would have done so before that deadline.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000649266/article/colin-kaepernick-still-with-49ers-salary-guaranteed

jones

Meatwad wrote:
i'll call him silly for the pig socks when these race soldiers stop walking around like this:

and this Philly pig's dog is named Rommel

The second picture doesn't surprise me, we have those even here where racism usually isn't as open as in the US. The first one though.. what the fuck is wrong with these people

MistaT

http://www.theplayerstribune.com/russell-okung-colin-kaepernick-protest/

Really good piece from a player showing support for Kap and the issue, but also addressing the need for action rather than just a statement. That has been my concern with Kaepernick's protest - he hasn't been clear about what he has an issue with (though it should be obvious, it's not to some) and he hasn't identified what he and others should do to more directly influence change.

Sitting down during an anthem does little to make change, it just draws the eyes to an already identified issue but at the risk of disillusioning some.

Burnwinter

Bryant wrote:
It's a complicated story Burnwinter. He is/was in danger of getting released from his contract, and there's some that believe this was a desperation ploy to make him relevant and prevent the 49ers from releasing him.

To his credit, he is donating $1 million dollars to various organizations after these stories.

Speaking as someone who barely gives a fuck about NFL (though I do recognise it's an impressive sport) if he's doing something relevant … he is relevant.

Qwiss

He's doing something, that's more than most. He's a football player he can't directly affect change. All he can do is use his profile to try raise awareness.

Savz

jones wrote:
Meatwad wrote:
i'll call him silly for the pig socks when these race soldiers stop walking around like this:

and this Philly pig's dog is named Rommel

The second picture doesn't surprise me, we have those even here where racism usually isn't as open as in the US. The first one though.. what the fuck is wrong with these people

Why was the 2nd picture posted?

Rex

Because he has a dog named Rommel and a tattoo which says 'Fatherland' on his forearm? May want to google both those before you reply.

Savz

How do we know he has a dog named Rommel?

Fatherland above an outstretched eagle, so I'm assuming he see's German Nazi as the fatherland...

Klaus

No need to assume, Savz. That's the reichsadler emblem with a jackboot font above it. There are no other typographic elements or eagle designs quite like those due to the obvious connotations. You don't go into a tattoo parlor and end up with something like that by accident.

Given that his name is Lichtermann he probably has German roots.

Meatwad

Rex wrote:
Because he has a dog named Rommel and a tattoo which says 'Fatherland' on his forearm? May want to google both those before you reply.

so because a nazi got fed up in '44 or '45 and was supportive of a plot to kill hitler means he was a good one? nothing significant happened before he got fed up? he's scum whether he's viewed as a hero in germany or not. and he had jewish slaves or unpaid servants if that's more delicate when he was in north africa.

Savz

Still gotta assume.. I know nothing about this man.

He could have made a couple bad choices as a teenager only to realise his mistakes later on in life. He may look at the tattoo and hate it. Nobody knows, but we got a couple guys in here talking amongst themselves insinuating that he's definitely a Nazi, he should know a bit more before saying he's definitely one, right?

Motorhead use the jackboot font, and Lemmy has an extensive collection of Nazi uniforms and he even wears them now and again, he's spoken about his house looking like a fricking shrine to the Nazi's, but always says he collect the stuff, not the ideas.

If nobody knew a thing about Lemmy, we'd be sitting here calling him a Nazi too. Gotta know more about the person and try not to say he's this or that based off of a tattoo.

Nazi stuff is some of the most provocative imagery that you can brandish, and that's why people get tattoos or wear the stuff. This police officer could have some form of mental problem, again as a teenager for example, and wanted to stand out as he may have have been unable to do so in some of the ways most of us think are normal.

(Or he could just be a Nazi lover who isn't scared of the fact, and in that case he needs help and the Philidelphia police need to go public as to why they hired a Nazi.)

Klaus

Savz wrote:
Motorhead use the jackboot font, and Lemmy has an extensive collection of Nazi uniforms and he even wears them now and again, he's spoken about his house looking like a fricking shrine to the Nazi's, but always says he collect the stuff, not the ideas.

Motörhead aren't public servants. Musicians and artists are known to incorporate brutalistic symbols of evil and oppression into their imagery - see the pentagrams and satanistic imagery in death metal for instance. It doesn't change the fact you can't be a cop with nazi symbols tattooed onto your body or public display. You wouldn't accept a swastika along the same line just because a similar sign with a completely different meaning exists in Indian culture.

Savz

I personally wouldn't accept it. But in America isn't is allowed under the first amendment to the United States Constitution, which guarantees the right to freedom of speech? Tasteless but it's up to the person if they want it or not.

Now a public servant having a swastika? No, they shouldn't be hired on that alone. If they used to be a Nazi or they used to have ties with a Nazi group but have changed, then I'd suggest getting the tattoo removed before being hired.

Klaus

Savz wrote:
I personally wouldn't accept it. But in America isn't is allowed under the first amendment to the United States Constitution, which guarantees the right to freedom of speech? Tasteless but it's up to the person if they want it or not.

Freedom of speech (in this specific case: freedom of expression) doesn't work the way you think it works, is the short answer. It's not a carte blanche to do whatever you want in a society and it doesn't mean you're protected from the consequences. Freedom of speech and expression are limited even further when you represent juridical and governing institutions.

Bold Tone

Savz wrote:
Still gotta assume.. I know nothing about this man.

He could have made a couple bad choices as a teenager only to realise his mistakes later on in life. He may look at the tattoo and hate it. ...

Daz

Perhaps he slipped and fell on a tattoo gun? And then it happened again on his other arm. Poor fella.

Bold Tone

Speaking of the ridiculous,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-katsimpras/how-it-is-easier-to-becom_b_5740178.html
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hairstylists-required-attend-significantly-training-cops/
http://www.sfreporter.com/santafe/article-8067-beauty-and-the-beat-cop.html

Savz

Daz wrote:
Perhaps he slipped and fell on a tattoo gun? And then it happened again on his other arm. Poor fella.

Is there any need for these sarcastic remarks? I put a point across, as stupid as it sounds it was simply to show nobody knows what this man has gone through and what he's doing with his life now.

Daz

Yes there is. As Rex says, embrace the sarcasm.

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