Circus!

y va marquer wrote:

I'm more curious about Özil at this stage.

Barca are in for him?

Paul Merson has just described Mesut Ozil as 'not a runarounder'. It's time to go to bed. #TransferDeadineDay

Bold Tone wrote:

I understand fans hatred towards players who move but it doesn't bother me that much unless they do or say something disrespectful (moving to spuds, running 80 yards to take the piss, etc). It even took me a few weeks to dislike van persie

i still love van persie, he was great for us, and everything he said was 100% correct. i look back on him and fabregas with fondness. we (wenger, really) let them down - most ppl have it backwards. unlike wenger, players don't have the luxury of 20 yr careers with no accountability.

small time attitude to cry about players leaving. makes us look insecure, like we'll never get a big player here again. 

at big clubs, players come and go, it's just life. 

y va marquer wrote:

What is the point of making the place like a bear pit?

to get wenger sacked? is that not every arsenal supporter's top priority right now?

new manager, new sporting director, new coaching staff, new medical team, new negotiator... none of this is possible without wenger leaving.

kamikaze wrote:

Bold Tone wrote:

I understand fans hatred towards players who move but it doesn't bother me that much unless they do or say something disrespectful (moving to spuds, running 80 yards to take the piss, etc). It even took me a few weeks to dislike van persie

i still love van persie

We used to be good at selling star players, now we can't even do that properly

kamikaze wrote:

y va marquer wrote:

What is the point of making the place like a bear pit?

to get wenger sacked? is that not every arsenal supporter's top priority right now?

new manager, new sporting director, new coaching staff, new medical team, new negotiator... none of this is possible without wenger leaving.

We were talking about Alexis getting a hard time, and then Mirth suggested all players would, so I was talking about getting on the players backs, I don't see the point in that.

The whole protest against Wenger is a seperate issue to my mind.
Not that it matters because what's spreading now is going to generate an atmosphere that stinks for everyone and anyone who doesn't go along with it will probably be flippin' demonised or accused of being "part of the problem".

@[deleted], lol. you'd really take wenger's side over van persie's, even in hindsight? i was team rvp even at the time, which was def a minority opinion, and understandably so.

gotta say, i'm not against alexis, either. he played superbly for us, gave us the chance of a 70m transfer even with just 1 yr remaining on his deal. but we blew it for everyone because we couldn't get a replacement in despite having months to do so. this isn't his fault. we're all annoyed at this regime.

goon wrote:

Few reports that he's devastated.

Every cloud has a silver lining, I guess.

@y va, yeah i don't agree with targeting individual players, but i think the atmosphere at the emirates should be as bad as possible, and the club's results should be as bad as possible, as soon as possible.

we could literally have zero points through october and still potentially finish 6th, but with a new manager and hope for the future.

or we can limp along to 6th, an early exit from the europa lge, and then do this all over again in 2018-19, with even more damage to our squad after wenger blows more of our transfer kitty.

kamikaze wrote:

@y va, yeah i don't agree with targeting individual players, but i think the atmosphere at the emirates should be as bad as possible, and the club's results should be as bad as possible, as soon as possible.

we could literally have zero points through october and still potentially finish 6th, but with a new manager and hope for the future.

or we can limp along to 6th, an early exit from the europa lge, and then do this all over again in 2018-19, with even more damage to our squad after wenger blows more of our transfer kitty.

It's refreshing to hear someone be honest about this.
There has been a sort of denial around the need for results to continue on a downward spiral for protests to have any chance of working.

I see that, I get it, but I think it's an awful way for us to end up as fans and it's just not in my make-up to want to see relentless abuse and agression directed at the team and manager.
If that's the way it goes for the forseeable future I will eventually tune out until it's done.

i can't disagree with you. but i don't see any other way.

as i said elsewhere, giving up your season ticket won't do a damned thing besides cost a loyal supporter a seat. those tickets will be purchased regardless. our only play is to let the players know we all want wenger out, at any cost. they're the only ones with any control over the business.

0 points from two months is all it would take.

kamikaze wrote:

@[deleted], lol. you'd really take wenger's side over van persie's, even in hindsight? i was team rvp even at the time, which was def a minority opinion, and understandably so.

Nah, has nothing to do with Wenger or whether he has a point. He was my favourite player and joined the team I hate the most. That sort of betrayal automatically puts him in serious wanker mode. If he had left for Juventus I'd have been more understanding and far more forgiving. You can say there's no loyalty in football but for me it just means there's more little shits to dislike.

A quick note though, nobody benefitted from Wenger's lack of ambition more than can Perise. If Wenger was more ruthless he'd have been out the door a long time ago to some no name club and we might have even won something.

I wouldn't hold it against Alexis as much, It's a 3 on the wanker scale rather than a 9 like van Persie.

Wonder what the reaction would be if he mucked around all season and then join Spuds on a free .

Van Persie's "letter to the fans" was a disgrace.

It was and Kami it's never simply been about players leaving. They are ways to do it while acting wth a bit of class and respect for the club and fans you're leaving.

i have a feeling the home crowds are really going to target ozil, unless he strings together a series of masterclass performances. he hasn't extended his deal either and he doesn't run around like a chicken with his head cut off like alexis. hes going to become a big target, along with xhaka. i think alexis is pretty far down the list, unless he starts mouthing off in the papers and causing a stir.

I think Wenger will get most of the abuse

y va marquer wrote:

I see that, I get it, but I think it's an awful way for us to end up as fans and it's just not in my make-up to want to see relentless abuse and agression directed at the team and manager.
If that's the way it goes for the forseeable future I will eventually tune out until it's done.

I think that at this stage its more important for me that we end up with a football club that has people in it I can support (let's face it, a club is made of people, not just a ground and a badge and its history). My support of the club is not actually totally limited to hoping we win individual games, it's a feeling, and a complicated one at that. Right now I actually do think that if matchgoing fans create the most roaring, ear-shattering display of malcontent as humanly possible, for as long as possible, until something changes, they would be supporting the best interests of the football club.

Wenger was always playing the long game. In the long run, we'll be better off. Well, time for the fans to think the same way.