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The Havertz's Knee Memorial Injury Thread

banduan

I got no problem with players wanting to play for their country. I got problems with players wanting to carry on injured without stakes - for either club or country.

QuincyAbeyie

Gazza M removed already, something about Gyok?

Sicario2

USArsenal this is also our best chance of a title for 22 years something these players never won. It’s more likely them winning a PL/CL (when we are the favourites for both) than them winning a WC. We also pay their wages.

Sicario2

Qwiss ok come back to me in March if we can get any injuries ahead of the business end of the season and then let me know how you feel

Qwiss

Sicario2 players are unlikely to miss the last international break before the world cup. The only way that happens is if its someone nailed on like Rice or Haaland that the international manager selfishly wants to see rested so they aren't burnt out by the World Cup.

QuincyAbeyie

Never understood the wages argument. Playing for the international team isn't breaching their employment contract.

USArsenal

QuincyAbeyie

No, and as a matter of fact, unless they have an injury (which is confirmed by the national team), i thought the rules were that they have to replrt for international duty, or they could miss the next league game. Unless i remember that wrong.

Wages are irrelevant. And one of the biggest honors a player can have is to represent their country in a World Cup. I get that its a great chance for us to win something this year, but at this point, there are no more international games for almost 5 months. so lets take a step back and accept that players play for their international teams. Always have, always will. They are not going to bail out just because Sicario at OMITT is pissed off about it.

Burnwinter

QuincyAbeyie Never understood the wages argument. Playing for the international team isn't breaching their employment contract.

Well, it's not much of an argument when it's not true. I had thought FIFA paid out all wages for players injured on international duty, turns out it's not quite that.

https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/arsenal/gabriel-arsenal-brazil-injury-fifa-loophole-536295-20251118

Sensationalist headline but the upshot is we'll get about 80% of Gabriel's wage paid while he's off injured (not 100% because he earns too much).

Coombs He can be called up but he doesn't need to play when he has a known issue that sees him train separately and it's a friendly. That's negligent.

Arsenal can be aggrieved about anything it likes, but Arsenal can control certain factors in the situation. These don't include whether Gabriel is called up by Brazil, but they do include how much rest he's had when he goes.

Gabriel can opt out of Brazil, but then I wouldn't expect him to.

So that leaves Arteta who could've rested Gabriel but instead played him for a total of 558 minutes on 18, 21, 26, 29 October and 1, 4, 8 November. More than twice a week over three weeks before the break. His understudy Hincapié played 169 minutes over the same period.

FEBravo

Any update on Timber?

USArsenal

FEBravo

Timber's fine. He took a knock but he got back up and finished the game.

Meatwad

the vast majority of them aren't going to win shit next summer anyway. odds are only saliba will come back with something. i'm sure they know that their best shot at major honors in 2026 is with arsenal, so just wait and see. no need to get upset.

Mirth

Sicario2 Ive come to the conclusion they love their country more than winning honours with Arsenal

Yeah, no shit. This is true for 99% of all players including legends of the game (unless you’re a weirdo like Roy Keane).

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2

QuincyAbeyie hope loving your country was worth it

QuincyAbeyie

Sicario2 you're mental

Sicario2

Looks like Havertz’s had a set back

November was traditionally the killer month for Arsenal under Wenger. History repeating it self ffs.

DiabyKungFu

Sicario2 Looks like Havertz’s had a set back

I think this is describing what already happened. The timeline of what happened is that he had an orthoscopic procedure to clean up some losse cartilage (a common procedure that takes 2-3 weeks to come back from) and then next thing you know he's out for three months and no one was explaining why. I think this is just filling in the gaps of what actually happened.

Qwiss

Havertz is starting to worry me.

Meatwad

ancelotti wouldn't have been apologizing if he was going to miss a week or two. his greatest value is set pieces, we'll definitely miss him on that front. defensively we'll be fine.

awooga83

Meatwad that's a pretty big miss as it's been how we've turned quite a few games in our favour. Could be a number of draws.

Segway

Gabriel is a huge miss. God damnit.

IBL

Segway big time, gonna miss his set piece goal threat more than being in defence as Mosquera looks like he can fill on there without any worries.

USArsenal

Why would the German NT coach be giving any update on Havertz? He wasn't even with Germany during the international break. Seems like this is all coming from random non-sources. I have not heard any update from anyone reputable. Maybe DKF is right, thats more of a 'why its taken him 2+ months to get fit' rather than an actual live and current update.

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