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The Havertz's Knee Memorial Injury Thread

Burnwinter

Sicario2 You can’t compare someone like Estevao and Gabriel. The former is a squad player at Chelsea.

I just did compare them. Anyway there's XI in the Selecão including starters for other English clubs such as Guimarães, Cunha, Casemiro etc. Point is this is how internationals work and always have. Liverpool have 15 players on duty this break, we have 13, City have 19.

Hope we get through the weekend without more injuries and the news about Gabriel is good.

Sicario2

Burnwinter

Sicario2 Reckon Salah has ever picked up an injury playing for Egypt in the middle of a league season?

Big Willie

Sicario2 not when our players are idiots. Gabriel is to blame as much as anyone. Tomiasyu used to do this shit all the time and now he has no club. Know you don’t like that as he is your boy but that’s the reality of it.

I get you in a way, I really do, international football is annoying but what can you do? Like others have mentioned, you can't pull your players out for no reason and this isn't the 90s or 2000s where Fergie could do what he wants and get away with it. Nowadays international teams will want their own look over a player before declaring them unfit. Not only that, it's a world cup year, players will play any chance they get.

They see the chance of PL and/or CL, true, but they also see the possibility of winning the WC and for a country like Brazil/France/Spain/England/Germany etc they fancy their chances and don't want to miss out because they weren't available for selection or adjudged to be "jogging" around the pitch in the buildup. Its unfortunate but whay can you do?

It's also less Gabriel being my boy and more players in general. It applies across the board, the better players you have, the more players you'll be missing during international weeks. Or would you rather we were back in 2020 with about only 5 players max being called up? Finally it's also a bit different comparing things to Tomi. Its one thing going on international duty if you have shown to be a regular for your club, and another to be being called up after struggling with injury again and again and again and still going. If we had Jesus, Zinchenko, Calafiori (from last season), Ode (from the last 18 months) or White (since we broke him) constantly going on international duty and returning injured only to get fit around the next international period and go again then it would be annoying.

But even then, what can you do but let them? The solution is to not get injury prone players, which thankfully we don't have many of now, or buy even more players to cover injuries, which we thankfully have now.

My point to you was to just chill a little. You were going off on one late into the night yesterday about this injury on here and then again at 7am.

Panda

Hope it's not too bad like Calafiori's but Martinelli's groin injury kept him out for a month? So yeah we looking at 4weeks I reckon.

This is why we upped the depth with quality. Time for Hincapie to get the game time he signed up for. We also have Mosquera/White who can fill in at CB.

Set piece goals may be a struggle now though and he is going to miss some big games sadly 😔 but I am hopeful we will be able to cope without him.

Sicario2

Burnwinter probably not in a friendly. Big difference between them and competitive international games.

Sicario2

Coombs

Burnwinter If Brazil decides not to call Gabriel up because he's had a lot of minutes

He can be called up but he doesn't need to play when he has a known issue that sees him train separately and it's a friendly. That's negligent.

Burnwinter

QuincyAbeyie Never understood the wages argument. Playing for the international team isn't breaching their employment contract.

Well, it's not much of an argument when it's not true. I had thought FIFA paid out all wages for players injured on international duty, turns out it's not quite that.

https://www.sportbible.com/football/football-news/arsenal/gabriel-arsenal-brazil-injury-fifa-loophole-536295-20251118

Sensationalist headline but the upshot is we'll get about 80% of Gabriel's wage paid while he's off injured (not 100% because he earns too much).

Coombs He can be called up but he doesn't need to play when he has a known issue that sees him train separately and it's a friendly. That's negligent.

Arsenal can be aggrieved about anything it likes, but Arsenal can control certain factors in the situation. These don't include whether Gabriel is called up by Brazil, but they do include how much rest he's had when he goes.

Gabriel can opt out of Brazil, but then I wouldn't expect him to.

So that leaves Arteta who could've rested Gabriel but instead played him for a total of 558 minutes on 18, 21, 26, 29 October and 1, 4, 8 November. More than twice a week over three weeks before the break. His understudy Hincapié played 169 minutes over the same period.

JazzG

Hmmmm

Sicario2

JazzG Any truth to this we should fire the Doc. Either way there should be a serious investigation into the amount of injuries we get, I’m sure Arteta is looking into this.

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert

Have we lost Gabriel and Calafiori? Our players and/or coaches are all a fucking joke.

Sicario2

Bring Back Kerrea Gilbert Cala should be fine, Gab we are still waiting on the extent of his injury

banduan

These players I tell you

Meatwad

it's all good unless we fail to accomplish our primary goals because of their actions. so i won't judge just yet.

Sicario2

Ive come to the conclusion they love their country more than winning honours with Arsenal.

Let’s see what happens at the end of the season.

JazzG

Sicario2 It is a World Cup year, every player is determined to play and make sure they retain their spot.

Mirth

Sicario2 Ive come to the conclusion they love their country more than winning honours with Arsenal

Yeah, no shit. This is true for 99% of all players including legends of the game (unless you’re a weirdo like Roy Keane).

Sicario2

JazzG the March friendlies will be telling. If your not playing in a play off and you bust your gut in a friendly during the business end of the season…

USArsenal

Sicario2

So you really think that players will lollygag around the pitch while playing for their country right before a world cup? You sound absolutely ridiculous with this nonsense. I get that you care more about Arsenal than international football, but this is a World Cup year. Playing for their country is uber-important to most players.

Sicario2

USArsenal this is also our best chance of a title for 22 years something these players never won. It’s more likely them winning a PL/CL (when we are the favourites for both) than them winning a WC. We also pay their wages.

Qwiss

Moaning about players playing for their country is extremely entitled.

Sicario2

Qwiss ok come back to me in March if we can get any injuries ahead of the business end of the season and then let me know how you feel

Gazza M

lame

QuincyAbeyie

Gazza M removed already, something about Gyok?

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