Clrnc wrote:

I think assists wise they are miles apart.

The Ronaldo was a better player than both. He wasn't even at his peak by the time he reached Madrid.

Mirth wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

I think assists wise they are miles apart.

The Ronaldo was a better player than both. He wasn't even at his peak by the time he reached Madrid.

Ronaldo peaked the second last season before he went to Madrid. I really haven't enjoyed watching him since.

Both games were terrible to watch with the Madrid one slightly better. I think Athletico are going to struggle to repeat their heroics last season.

Disagree on both counts. If you thought those games were terrible to watch you must not have seen us play often this season. Or any other Premier League side for that matter

And Atlético have won their last two games with a combined score of 9:0 against two good sides prior to getting a point at the Camp Nou. Honestly don't understand how you can learn that they'll struggle looking at them this season, Griezmann is still scoring for fun and their new signings look very good

General wrote:

He's still a diving piece of shit Suarez. Awful character. He's not a patch on a peak Ronaldo.

he's the best player in the game right now - for the last 6 months or so. completely unstoppable. is he better overall than Messi/Ronaldo are as good as peak Messi/Ronaldo? no. but right now, he's king. we really f-ed up here. he'd have terrorised Premier League defenses on his own at Arsenal 

I think he's a bit erratic and blows hot and cold. Top player no doubt but there is an obvious shortage of quality strikers in the game right now and this helps him stands out. I think the biggest part of his game is actually his selflessness which is what brought out the best in Sturridge and Sterling at Liverpool.

@[deleted] I don't want to get into a Premier League v La Liga argument here and you can only serve one master (team wise) but in my view the Barca v Atletico game was awful. The Madrid game was played with more urgency and intensity, possibly because Real went behind. Football is first and foremost an entertainment sport and both games lacked value in in this regard. Barca were coasting and the combination of injuries to Messi/Busquets and Masherano's slip let Atletico back in. Simeone has done wonders with that team because on paper there are a lot of above average players. Felipe Luis for one is awful and probably won't get a game ahead of Gibbs. Torres is not effective against the top sides and Griezman carries most of their attacking threat. He has to track back a lot, I think he was marking Newmar at some point, and this makes Atletico look very negative.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. If I recall correctly Felipe Luis was MOTM in last season's CL 1/4 final in which Atlético kicked Barcelona out, very big claim he wouldn't get a game ahead of Gibbs of all people.

Torres not being effective against the top sides is a funny claim too, I'd say his major contributions during his second spell at Atlético were all against Real or Barcelona, some big performances in the CL (vs Bayern e.g.) too although there's the obvious stinker he's had in last season's final. His bigger overall problem though is that he doesn't score enough vs smaller teams

General wrote:

Simeone has done wonders with that team because on paper there are a lot of above average players. Felipe Luis for one is awful and probably won't get a game ahead of Gibbs.

Are you talking about them in general or just on the back of this game?

Claudius wrote:

General wrote:

He's still a diving piece of shit Suarez. Awful character. He's not a patch on a peak Ronaldo.

he's the best player in the game right now - for the last 6 months or so. completely unstoppable. is he better overall than Messi/Ronaldo are as good as peak Messi/Ronaldo? no. but right now, he's king. we really f-ed up here. he'd have terrorised Premier League defenses on his own at Arsenal 

You're confusing most effective with best

Yep, I think the nature of modern super clubs makes it very difficult to evaluate players through stats alone. They're bound to be bloated when the team as a whole is so superior to 99% of the competition.

Never mind Messi - I'd say Neymar has been a better footballer than Suarez in the last two years, although he hasn't scored as much.

Neymar has been disappointing and ineffective this season from what I've read from Barca fans.

Neymar's not a better player but I agree with Klaus. The Messi/Ronaldo era has completely skewed people's perceptions of what a good footballer is and it's not just the number of goals they score. I'd say someone like Modric is a better player than Suarez still. And just because Messi's playing a deeper role doesn't make him an inferior footballer at all.

I think Costa minus the antics is a better striker than Suarez. More versatile and more dynamic.

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Took the words right outta my mouth flo.

I think Yaya Sanogo when he surprises you will be better than Suarez.

E: For real Coombs, I'm speechless over here.

General wrote:

I think Costa minus the antics is a better striker than Suarez. More versatile and more dynamic.

But technically not on the same level.

General wrote:

I think Costa minus the antics is a better striker than Suarez. More versatile and more dynamic.

No man, just no.

General wrote:

I think Costa minus the antics is a better striker than Suarez. More versatile and more dynamic.

No offense but... The fuck? Suarez tore the league apart in a way Costa has never done.. It's not like Costa would play better if not for his antics.