She definitely stands out in the UK, nobody questioned that. So does Ronnie Unionbuster Reagan's record in the US however, he caused irreperable damage to the American economy both structurally and fiscally, deepened social divide, was behind Iran/Contra and the cocaine flooding into the country in its wake and behind innumerable foreign military operations like funding the Taliban or Al-Qaeda, the support of every anti-Communist dictator there was in the world and many others

Like Huey Freeman said, Ronald Wilson Reagan was the devil. His three names don't have six letters for no reason

You guys seriously arguing over who's the bigger asshat?

Meatwad wrote:

we're not electing trump, but didn't you guys have Tony Abbott as prime minister?

jones wrote:

They did elect Reagan in the past

and he was no worse than any other conservative elected by western democracies (your maggie thatcher's etc and the host of them that australia has had in the past).

Abbott was a joke for a number of reasons, but neither he nor any of the other conservative leaders we have had would come close to Trump with respect to batshit-crazy ideas/policies and complete lack of suitability for public office. 

banduan wrote:

You guys seriously arguing over who's the bigger asshat?

Who's the most progressive / least arsehat-esque is a particularly hilarious form of national pride.

Tonight should be interesting. I'm expecting both of them to be terrible.

Hillary just has no fucking charisma. She's gonna come off like a grumpy old grandmother.

There isn't much Clinton can do. She just needs to play it straight down the middle and hope he fucks up. He might gain traction if he can manage to act like a politician but I doubt he can pull that off. He'd have to do something pretty crazy to lose voters I think, thats probably more likely than him keeping it together.

I think Trump just has to tone down his message 20% and he'll pick up a new wave of voters. Hillary isn't capable of inspiring new voters at this point which leaves her needing to maintain all of her current support AND for Trump to not gain any new votes.

I'm fucking scared

Trump voters don't seem to care about facts anyway, and they certainly don't care about Trump lying pretty much every time he opens his big, ugly gob.

Hillary's best outcome is if Trump says something that is both a) zany/conspiratorial/bizarre and b) not appealing to any large political constituency

If the moderator can get him sidetracked on some Trump U stuff or rehashing the Cruz father thing, I think the above is possible, if not probable

Not sure there is anything that can be defined as a Donald Trump fuck up. On some level it's funny that people are looking forward to this debate as if it's gonna affect anything for Trump. All this political theatre is pointless and useless for trump supporters and that is the point of Trump's rise. He can now afford to tide through with 90 minutes of rhetoric.

Trump univeristy/cruz father all these have been done over with..nobody cares about those i think. Also, the gennifer flowers threat was bloody brilliant from the man. That should warn clinton against trying to play silly games with him. She's just not in his league.

She is not in his league?
He is not even in the ball park.

Hillary has no charisma? News to me.

  1. She does have no charisma
  2. The Flowers thing doesn't play well with women, he's already a well known mysogynist dickhead, it's bad for him to remind people of it
mags wrote:

She is not in his league?

not with the trash talk, no. they tried to silly bait him with the mark cuban thing, he shot back with flowers. Going against the pope and the church lady in flint should've done bad for him with christians but no.
Anyways, bill and melania walked in. I got my popcorn ready, hope it's not the boring Drumpf.

totally agree on his airports point. Airports in US are shit.

Hilary nailed it.
Trump showed he is not prepared to debate, a babbling idiot.

so fucking annoying when neither the moderator nor hillary ask him-- what does your ten year old being good at computers have to do with cyber security?
but just for lols...that was gold.

"It's not nice, I don't deserve that, it's not a nice thing that she's done" 😆

Will be interesting to see how this performance affects the polls tomorrow/ by the end of the week.

1-0 Hillary