Trump is the one!
US Presidential Debate
@OwensDamien
I hear you, Sanders supporters who plan to vote Trump. One time I asked for Coke but they only had Pepsi, so I set fire to my head.
wow, they're literally crying in the crowd during the bernie speech.
goon wrote:@OwensDamien
I hear you, Sanders supporters who plan to vote Trump. One time I asked for Coke but they only had Pepsi, so I set fire to my head.
One time I asked for Coke, but the local distributors put a gigantic markup on it, and then raised the threat of Coke being removed from the market entirely in order to convince me to drink Coke diluted with river water.
Had to read it 4 times slower each time-that's Bernie, Drumpf and hillary respectively right Burn?
That's Bernie, the DNC, a Trump presidency and Hillary, haha.
goon wrote:@OwensDamien
I hear you, Sanders supporters who plan to vote Trump. One time I asked for Coke but they only had horseshit so I picked dogshit.
Much more confident about Hillary's chances after the convention day 1.
Bernie is finally on board, and his supporters will fall in.
She'll get a huge boost from this convention, and should be smooth sailing from here on.
I do think folks have to think about people who live here (the States) and the very real benefit we will get from the continuation and expansion of Obama's policies domestically. Foreign policy is, in some ways, inextricably tied to what happens domestically, but in others there are so many degree of separation, and it will actually change people's lives here.
The party platform that Hillary has signed up to regarding education, guns, raising incomes, embracing BLM, healthcare, ending mass incarceration, national guidelines for the use of force in policing, agricultural workers protections, restoring tribal lands, and supporting the NEA and the NEH are all crucially important and simply must happen at the level of the federal executive.
Honestly, a lot of that will directly impact me and the financial well-being of my parents, who are ill, and my younger siblings, some of whom still have yet to go to college or finish their education.
I'd say, as a general rule, the only good change is incremental change.
Clinton doesn't represent incremental change, she's not going to do most of that stuff and she'll start a whole bunch of worse shit to balance out any good. Sanders was the incremental change, nice cuddly grandpa social democrat.
Clinton can't do most of that stuff. No president can. Bernie wouldn't be able to do it either, it's not how the system works. Rhetoric is important, and it's important to win back the legislature from an increasingly White Nationalist Republican party. I don't think it's a complicated choice at all at this point, and everyone twisting themselves around email scandals and Clinton family world domination conspiracies can't see the forest for the trees.
Even if she doesn't do most of the stuff, she will do some of it. She really has no choice (I think). The more progressive elements in the party have shown that they will not be content with thumb twiddling and in 4 years she (Democrats) will lose out if they haven't shown enough political will to push the platform agenda through.
Would have been interesting to see how far Bernie could've gone if the establishment hadn't been actively undermining him.
Coombs wrote:Clinton can't do most of that stuff. No president can. Bernie wouldn't be able to do it either, it's not how the system works. Rhetoric is important, and it's important to win back the legislature from an increasingly White Nationalist Republican party. I don't think it's a complicated choice at all at this point, and everyone twisting themselves around email scandals and Clinton family world domination conspiracies can't see the forest for the trees.
Indeed. While I am as disillusioned as any that Bernie wasn't given a fair shot, in the end, it's Clinton v Trump. Definitely a lesser of two evils scenario. But one of those two evils is truly, truly repugnant in its pure form.
To be frank, it's be pretty stupid of the establishment not to undermine him. It's strange to me that any of this is a surprise to anyone, really. The guy is not exactly on their side, either, and he did try to hijack their club.
You can't get caught doing that shit though. I'm sure the Republicans did their best as well to get rid of Trump, but there's no smoking gun (yet)
Cory Booker rocked me last night. That was the highlight of my night. Really rousing, positive speech - the kind that were in short supply last week. One to watch!
flobaba wrote:You can't get caught doing that shit though. I'm sure the Republicans did their best as well to get rid of Trump, but there's no smoking gun (yet)
They literally announced it, no need for a hack 
Honestly, it's just a combination of WikiLeaks looking for attention again, and not caring what the consequences are. Irresponsible fuckers are just as manipulative as the big news media.
Claudius wrote:Cory Booker rocked me last night. That was the highlight of my night. Really rousing, positive speech - the kind that were in short supply last week. One to watch!
Cory is well known. Was a good speech, but he has got his critics on the left:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/08/why-do-liberals-hate-cory-booker/278992/
Coombs wrote:To be frank, it's be pretty stupid of the establishment not to undermine him. It's strange to me that any of this is a surprise to anyone, really. The guy is not exactly on their side, either, and he did try to hijack their club.
He's not on their side because they don't represent the working or even middle classes. People were insulted for believing there was a conspiracy against him. Look at the comments on any beanie related post from leftish media on Facebook.
Bernie, Warren, Raul from Arizona will continue to move forward with their progressive agenda, some of which Hillary has long supported, i.e., child care, health care...so imo, this is a healthy argument within the Democratic Party, the centrists finding common ground with the rolling tide of progressive Dems...Young Bernie supporters need to understand that in the real world their choice has to be Hillary...
For me the stars last night were Mrs. Obama who hit a home run, and Bernie....As he said, (I paraphrase) as an objective, rational voter, you have only one choice, Hillary....
Earlier in the evening Luis Guterriez representative from Illinos spoke....Now he was brillliant, outbookered Cory... Booker is very ambitious...Want him to learn from Bernie...And Elizabeth Warren seemed tired to me....With an orator like the late Mario Cuomo giving her speech, he would have brought the house down....
Trump is a sociopath....
Who does he represent? Himsellf.
Claudius wrote:Cory Booker rocked me last night. That was the highlight of my night. Really rousing, positive speech - the kind that were in short supply last week. One to watch!
i don't like him. another israel flunky, enough of them on the republican side, the less on the democratic side the better.
Slick Willie killing it at the DNC for Hillary.
If America didn't have the red apocalypse button I'd have rooted for a Trump presidency out of spite. But they do and that's that.
Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” he said.
“I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. Let’s see if that happens. That will be next.”The Republican nominee added: “They probably have her 33,000 emails that she lost and deleted ... I hope they do ... because you’d see some beauties there.”
It is, sadly, becoming less and less amazing to me that people who only a month ago would have spat at the mention of Russia or Putin are now baying for them, our Great Old Enemy, to hack the email account of one of our most prominent and senior political figures. Moronic, two-bit, dumbass, racist, morons. They've got no business having any political power whatsoever. Democracy is....so stupid.
In other ridiculous news, this is about to happen in Buffalo, NY the day before I move back to Colorado:
In case you're not aware, NSM = National Socialist Movement, ANA = Aryan Nationalist Alliance, and WLM = White Lives Matter.
Counter-protest is incoming...
Talking about Russia's possible involvement in the DNC leak is like calling for Snowden's head after Prism was revealed. Regardless of whether the information was made public legally or not, the culprit in this is not the one who's making the crime known.
And come on Coombs, you're better than this. I know there are many reasons as a US citizen to hope that it'll be Clinton and not Trump but to call this cunt one of your "most prominent and senior public figures"?
Well firstly, I've got no time for defending Putin or his abominable government. He can fuck right off. Secondly, that's not the point. The point is that these people are ignorant, mean-spirited, and very, very stupid. They've adjusted their entire worldview that was a century in the making for the sake of bigotry and hate.
They were wrong then, they are wrong now.
As an aside, there was not much of a crime I can see in the leak. Just the usual Assange attention whoring.
Oh, and Putin can fuck off.
Yeah, I got that the first time Fair enough, I'm not fond of Putin either and I also don't like the narcissistic Assange. I don't think it should be the prevalent factor though when we find out how the DNC was caught trying to influence (and probably succeeding at it) voters away from Sanders and towards Hillary. Who, I might add, is the worst human named in this paragraph.
I'm not sure I understand the sentence mentioning their worldview to be honest. Do you think they're wrong in (allegedly) thinking that Russia is not the Great Old Enemy anymore?
No I think they are wrong to have thought that in the past, and they are wrong to embrace them now. Both views had/have very dark ulterior motives that I find far more heinous than American imperialism, honestly. But that's because I have to live here (with them).
Fair enough, I can agree with that. And I can certainly agree with the last sentence, just like not everyone can appreciate everything to the same degree depending on circumstances there's some shit that you won't be able to properly despise unless you're living in certain countries or areas. Like my hatred for Bayern Munich for example
Damn! what a difference between both the convention speakers and speeches. Although Hillary can still be the leveller with her dourness. lol. Still want Bernie 
god damn my man obama blacked out on that stage, he was in the zone. jordan in his prime. now i'm just sad because he has to leave.
Coombs wrote:In case you're not aware, NSM = National Socialist Movement, ANA = Aryan Nationalist Alliance, and WLM = White Lives Matter.
Counter-protest is incoming...
These clashes between neo-Nazi "patriots" and antiracists are ongoing in Australia as well, and have been for some time.
On WikiLeaks and Putin, I'd say the following:
Assange is a self-serving douchebag, and in addition to any connection to Russian hackers, one should also survey his connections to the US libertarian right (which is pro-Trump for the most part).
The "transparency" movement's flaws are thrown into sharp relief by the obvious and asymmetric circulation of information back to the preferences of power—the movement's ideology rests on the spurious premise that all information relevant to collective interest can be exposed and processed simultaneously and justly.
The increasing chatter about Putin (and China, for that matter, cf articles about the South China Sea and so on) invoking a new multipolar geopolitics are from any perspective a form of false consciousness that ignores the steadily decreasing role of nations as the guarantors of collective interest.
Both the DNC leak showing a "conspiracy" against Sanders and the response of "Look! Russkie hackers though!" are pure spectacle
how is Assange self-serving , narcissistic and attention whoring? Is it just because of how he ran his organization and was a douchebag to his people or something else bigger? I don't understand. The man is holed up in a compound for so many years.
Well, for starters, there's absolutely no reason why WikiLeaks needed a celebrity figurehead at all. Secondly, he just is a narcissist, as you can tell from the sum of his public output.
FObama becomes a private citizen in a few months....His very best days are ahead of him....
I shall miss him...The same for Joe Biden....
Really enjoyed Michael Bloomberg's appeal to independents, to moderate Republicans....The Trump myth basher par excellence....
Obama is right on the money when he says the vote for Dems has to be up and down the ballot, local, state, Congress...Then legislation with purpose can take place...
There were so many effective gun control speakers last night, Senator Chris Murphy, the young woman whose mother was the principal at Sandy Hook, and the list goes on.....
Although it's a convention, in a sense a party for the party, I think the Dems have made serious waves, Bernie supporters, children and women's rights advocates, gun control advocates, etc., and independent voters have plenty to think about...
Now it's Hillary's turn tonight....
arsedoc md wrote:how is Assange self-serving , narcissistic and attention whoring? Is it just because of how he ran his organization and was a douchebag to his people or something else bigger? I don't understand. The man is holed up in a compound for so many years.
meme doesn't even make sense because the DNC (a private org whose purpose is to elect democrats) emails just show them being biased towards an actual democrat. bernie sanders isn't a democrat, he just saw an opportunity. the dnc didn't prevent him from getting votes. hillary got more. his hippy fans are just a bunch of beta whiny bitches. i can't stand them when i see them in brooklyn and i damn sure don't like them now. just dripping with privilege.
Agreed, meaty. And that's coming from someone who voted for Bernie.