@OwensDamien
I hear you, Sanders supporters who plan to vote Trump. One time I asked for Coke but they only had Pepsi, so I set fire to my head.

wow, they're literally crying in the crowd during the bernie speech.

goon wrote:

@OwensDamien
I hear you, Sanders supporters who plan to vote Trump. One time I asked for Coke but they only had Pepsi, so I set fire to my head.

One time I asked for Coke, but the local distributors put a gigantic markup on it, and then raised the threat of Coke being removed from the market entirely in order to convince me to drink Coke diluted with river water.

Had to read it 4 times slower each time-that's Bernie, Drumpf and hillary respectively right Burn?

That's Bernie, the DNC, a Trump presidency and Hillary, haha.

goon wrote:

@OwensDamien
I hear you, Sanders supporters who plan to vote Trump. One time I asked for Coke but they only had horseshit so I picked dogshit.

Much more confident about Hillary's chances after the convention day 1.

Bernie is finally on board, and his supporters will fall in.

She'll get a huge boost from this convention, and should be smooth sailing from here on.

I do think folks have to think about people who live here (the States) and the very real benefit we will get from the continuation and expansion of Obama's policies domestically. Foreign policy is, in some ways, inextricably tied to what happens domestically, but in others there are so many degree of separation, and it will actually change people's lives here. 

The party platform that Hillary has signed up to regarding education, guns, raising incomes, embracing BLM, healthcare, ending mass incarceration, national guidelines for the use of force in policing, agricultural workers protections, restoring tribal lands, and supporting the NEA and the NEH are all crucially important and simply must happen at the level of the federal executive.

Honestly, a lot of that will directly impact me and the financial well-being of my parents, who are ill, and my younger siblings, some of whom still have yet to go to college or finish their education.

I'd say, as a general rule, the only good change is incremental change.

Clinton doesn't represent incremental change, she's not going to do most of that stuff and she'll start a whole bunch of worse shit to balance out any good. Sanders was the incremental change, nice cuddly grandpa social democrat.

Clinton can't do most of that stuff. No president can. Bernie wouldn't be able to do it either, it's not how the system works. Rhetoric is important, and it's important to win back the legislature from an increasingly White Nationalist Republican party. I don't think it's a complicated choice at all at this point, and everyone twisting themselves around email scandals and Clinton family world domination conspiracies can't see the forest for the trees.

Even if she doesn't do most of the stuff, she will do some of it. She really has no choice (I think). The more progressive elements in the party have shown that they will not be content with thumb twiddling and in 4 years she (Democrats) will lose out if they haven't shown enough political will to push the platform agenda through.

Would have been interesting to see how far Bernie could've gone if the establishment hadn't been actively undermining him.

Coombs wrote:

Clinton can't do most of that stuff. No president can. Bernie wouldn't be able to do it either, it's not how the system works. Rhetoric is important, and it's important to win back the legislature from an increasingly White Nationalist Republican party. I don't think it's a complicated choice at all at this point, and everyone twisting themselves around email scandals and Clinton family world domination conspiracies can't see the forest for the trees.

Indeed. While I am as disillusioned as any that Bernie wasn't given a fair shot, in the end, it's Clinton v Trump. Definitely a lesser of two evils scenario. But one of those two evils is truly, truly repugnant in its pure form.

To be frank, it's be pretty stupid of the establishment not to undermine him. It's strange to me that any of this is a surprise to anyone, really. The guy is not exactly on their side, either, and he did try to hijack their club.

You can't get caught doing that shit though. I'm sure the Republicans did their best as well to get rid of Trump, but there's no smoking gun (yet)

Cory Booker rocked me last night. That was the highlight of my night. Really rousing, positive speech - the kind that were in short supply last week. One to watch!

flobaba wrote:

You can't get caught doing that shit though. I'm sure the Republicans did their best as well to get rid of Trump, but there's no smoking gun (yet)

They literally announced it, no need for a hack 😆 

Honestly, it's just a combination of WikiLeaks looking for attention again, and not caring what the consequences are. Irresponsible fuckers are just as manipulative as the big news media.

Coombs wrote:

To be frank, it's be pretty stupid of the establishment not to undermine him. It's strange to me that any of this is a surprise to anyone, really. The guy is not exactly on their side, either, and he did try to hijack their club.

He's not on their side because they don't represent the working or even middle classes. People were insulted for believing there was a conspiracy against him. Look at the comments on any beanie related post from leftish media on Facebook.

Bernie, Warren, Raul from Arizona will continue to move forward with their progressive agenda, some of which Hillary has long supported, i.e., child care, health care...so imo, this is a healthy argument within the Democratic Party, the centrists finding common ground with the rolling tide of progressive Dems...Young Bernie supporters need to understand that in the real world their choice has to be Hillary...

For me the stars last night were Mrs. Obama who hit a home run, and Bernie....As he said, (I paraphrase) as an objective, rational voter, you have only one choice, Hillary....

Earlier in the evening Luis Guterriez representative from Illinos spoke....Now he was brillliant, outbookered  Cory... Booker is very ambitious...Want him to learn from Bernie...And Elizabeth Warren seemed tired to me....With an orator like the late Mario Cuomo giving her speech, he would have brought the house down....

Trump is a sociopath....
Who does he represent? Himsellf.