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Other Clubs transfer thread Summer 2016

Ray

Pogba isn't worth that money and Utd are getting done over by Juve.

Savz

Depends who you ask and what he can bring.

Money is recouped through increased shirt sales, increased brand awareness, increased sponsorship deals, increased revenue from existing sponsorship deals and increased on pitch success.

Ray

This is Mourinho's "big signing" but I'm glad he has wasted it on someone like Pogba. I would be more worried if he spent a 100m on someone like Griezmann, Neymar, Bale, etc.

Claudius

Meatwad wrote:

Meatwad, thanks for posting this. It debunks the commonly held myth that player transfer fees and wages are spiraling out of control. I've stated as much without numerical backing. As large as the Paul Pogba fee would be, it still falls in line with United's other massive outlays. The Veron and Rio fees were ridiculed at the time as being outrageous. I think the Pogba investment is more Rio than Veron - young, talented player who will be backbone of team for years

Savz

Clrnc wrote:
It's 25m euros reported so about 21m pounds? Italian media reporting that total deal including wages might reach 250m.

Only rumours for now, but it's reported the wages are £300k per week.

I don't know if it will be for 4 years or for 5 years.

4 years = £62m in wages.
5 years = £78m in wages.

God knows what the signing on fee is.

United weren't Uniteds first choice, but the money is just too much to say no to.

goon

They won't recoup their money but I suspect the main reason they're going for him is to boost their profile as one of the big European clubs along with Madrid, Bayern and co. They're slipping and desperate.

Wish we'd show the same level of desperation mind you.

Savz

Ray wrote:
This is Mourinho's "big signing" but I'm glad he has wasted it on someone like Pogba. I would be more worried if he spent a 100m on someone like Griezmann, Neymar, Bale, etc.

There's always next year...

Ray

Doubt Mourinho will still be there next year.

Savz

@FabrizioRomano: Pogba has accepted Man United contract offer for 5 year. £300k per week.

Most expensive player in history. The first £100m player.

Savz

Ray wrote:
Doubt Mourinho will still be there next year.

Unquestionably will.

Claudius

You guys are living in a fantasy world

Mourinho sticks around 3 years
Mourinho wins in one or both of the first 2 years
Having the biggest players on your staff is an imperative for being an anchor sponsorship deal for Nike and Adidas; and also attracting massive shirt sponsorship

We are in for a world of hurt. I really wish Wenger had stepped aside for Klopp or Guardiola and given us half a chance

Savz

Manchester United are set to pay €144m (€120m for the player and €24m for Raiola) for the Paul Pogba deal - that is EXCLUDING bonuses/incentives/wages.

Ridiculous sums being thrown around.

goon

Savz wrote:
Manchester United are set to pay €144m (€120m for the player and €24m for Raiola) for the Paul Pogba deal - that is EXCLUDING bonuses/incentives/wages.

Ridiculous sums being thrown around.

That's just in line with inflation apparently...

Mirth

Claudius wrote:
Meatwad, thanks for posting this. It debunks the commonly held myth that player transfer fees and wages are spiraling out of control. I've stated as much without numerical backing. As large as the Paul Pogba fee would be, it still falls in line with United's other massive outlays. The Veron and Rio fees were ridiculed at the time as being outrageous. I think the Pogba investment is more Rio than Veron - young, talented player who will be backbone of team for years

Claud, in the summer that United signed Ferdinand they didn't spend much on anyone else. They've already signed Mkhitaryan and Bailly for over 50m. Never mind that Ibrahmovic is on astronomical wages. This is on top of the 300m they've spent over the past few seasons.

Furthermore, the table you picked up is related to United who - to their credit - spend within their means thanks to their profile and commercial deals.

The clubs that have inflated the market over the past 10 have been PSG, City, Chelsea and Madrid. I suggest you prepare a similar analysis for those before jumping to conclusions.

Claudius

All of those clubs except Chelsea have used government backing (Spanish or Middle Eastern) in the form of large sponsorship deals or tax and other discounts to support their large outlays. Chelsea deliberately managed their expenses in the last few years by trimming their large asset base with bizarrely oversized incoming transfer fees.
Also, don't forget Barca in any discussion of wage or transfer fee inflation. Nobody even knows how much they've spent on Neymar.

I accept your position that they have multiple big transfers. At around 30m, Mkhitaryan would be halfway down that list. Zlatan would not feature on the list

Savz

Dortmund and Bayern have both tweeted that Gotze has rejoined Dortmund. €26m cheap as chips.

Claudius

lol. it's all happening around us.

goon

The window is quiet, all the action happens at the end apparently...

Mirth

Claudius wrote:
All of those clubs except Chelsea have used government backing (Spanish or Middle Eastern) in the form of large sponsorship deals or tax and other discounts to support their large outlays. Chelsea deliberately managed their expenses in the last few years by trimming their large asset base with bizarrely oversized incoming transfer fees.
Also, don't forget Barca in any discussion of wage or transfer fee inflation. Nobody even knows how much they've spent on Neymar.

I accept your position that they have multiple big transfers. At around 30m, Mkhitaryan would be halfway down that list. Zlatan would not feature on the list

Yep, I know those other clubs have been funded by non-traditional sources but it enables them to artificially raise the fees - which impacts the asking price. If it was just United or Bayern paying astronomical wages based on their huge revenues, we wouldn't see Higuain valued at 60m.

Zlatan wouldn't feature on the list but both him and Miki are paid a huge amount. If anything wages are a bigger factor than the transfer fee which can be spread over the contract.

Claudius

Wages are also spread over the contract. Except a signing bonus.
Real and Barca would have significantly larger revenue than us regardless of government support. Chelsea's current financials are sustainable. Note that they aren't involved in outsized spending.
So you're really only talking about City and PSG here.

Bottom line - player transfers are no more outrageous than they were 15 years ago.

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