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Best player ever?

Biggus

General Mirth wrote:
Biggus wrote:
Or course, rules were different pitches were different even boots and the ball was different, it was almost a different game.

But were Tottenham still shit?

Some people think my views are very fashioned GM, thats because throughout my life the Aristotelian medieval world view of certainty and stability of the cosmos has been sustained by the constant of Spurs shittiness, no Copernican revolution of the heavenly spheres or Einsteinian theory of relativity has budged it.
When times are turbulent and the world seems to shift under our feet we can always rely on this certainty. 🙂

Biggus

General Mirth wrote:
Biggus wrote:
Or course, rules were different pitches were different even boots and the ball was different, it was almost a different game.

But were Tottenham still shit?

Bold Tone

My favourite football memories by a long way. Thank you Inter for the gift!

est

Thanks for that, Tone.

Haven't watched that comp for a long time. One of my favourites.

What a player!

Klaus

This is possibly a controversial opinion, but I always thought that Bergkamp became an even better player in the 02-04 years when he was forced deeper and had to focus more on creating.

Klaus

The answer to the thread title is Bellerin, by the way.

Bold Tone

Klaus wrote:
This is possibly a controversial opinion, but I always thought that Bergkamp became an even better player in the 02-04 years when he was forced deeper and had to focus more on creating.

Even with reduced mobility, he remained lethal with Henry, Pires and Ljungberg doing the running so, like you, he never diminished in my eyes.

Rex

He went from Henry to Özil gradually. Not a bad feat at all.

Klaus

Bold Tone wrote:
Klaus wrote:
This is possibly a controversial opinion, but I always thought that Bergkamp became an even better player in the 02-04 years when he was forced deeper and had to focus more on creating.

Even with reduced mobility, he remained lethal with Henry, Pires and Ljungberg doing the running so, like you, he never diminished in my eyes.

Yeah, I think that's the thing - people tend to focus on what he could no longer do instead of on what he actually did. Becoming less mobile really brought out another dimension in him imo.

goon

Can't say I agree. As good as he was after, some of the stuff he was doing in the years before that was just unreal, and he was still doing most of the invincibles era creative stuff anyway.

Biggus

Klaus wrote:
This is possibly a controversial opinion, but I always thought that Bergkamp became an even better player in the 02-04 years when he was forced deeper and had to focus more on creating.

Not at all Klaus, thats exactly right.

banduan

Klaus wrote:
This is possibly a controversial opinion, but I always thought that Bergkamp became an even better player in the 02-04 years when he was forced deeper and had to focus more on creating.

I agree, even though I liked him more as a striker.

ultimatewarrior

Bergkamp was something else at Ajax. He had already cemented himself as top 3 best Dutch players of all time before he had left. At Arsenal, his best season was in Wenger's first double season, but he did develop a great creative side to his game to counteract the decline in mobility. Still a majestic player, but he was scoring goals from another mother at his peak. Some of those goals in Dutch colours and in his first couple of seasons were hard to believe.

Bold Tone

QuincyAbeyie

I've noticed that when watching Messi play, I consistently shake my head and laugh. He's the only player that I've ever reacted that way to.

Bold Tone

Anyone else wants to laugh?

banduan

Everybody does body feints. Nobody does it at split-split-second speed like Messi. He basically reads what you're doing in milliseconds. In fact, he probably knows what you're doing before you do.

Rex

Özil does the body feint all the time too. He exclusively fakes right and goes left though. 🙂
Generally agree with Bandy though.

redwhiteAustrian

Watching Messi on the pitch is a pleasure, nothing less. Clearly something you'd tell your grand children about in a couple of decades.

flobaba

I don't know...

Okay, so before anyone thinks I'm a Messi hater, I'm not - this goes for Ronaldo as well, and most of the "great" footballers today.

The last players I truly enjoyed watching week in, week out were Ronaldo (el Fenomenon), Ronaldinho. And then Henry. Sometimes Ibrahimovic.

And I think I've realized Why don't I enjoy watching Messi as much. He is too "efficient".

The aforementioned players, and the likes of Maradona, Zidane, heck even bloody Matt Le Tissier, were players who would step onto the football field not just to play, but to entertain. They would stand in front of their defenders with the aim of showing them that they were superior in talent and ability. They would pick opponents and humiliate them effortlessly. Toying with them endlessly, teasing them, frustrating them with outrageous pieces of skill. Playing like they were the best kids in the playground, and they knew it.

It's not just Messi though, football today seems to be too mechanical, too predictable, too professional. I think this is why we all enjoyed that Messi goal so much. It was unexpected. Big game, big skill, big goal. That's what we watch for, isn't it? I don't know if it's just me, but I feel I used to see that kind of thing more often in the previous two decades . Especially from the big clubs, and big players.

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