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Olly giroud ooh la laaa

Anzac

y va marquer wrote:
Course he's good enough to start against Everton so start him, see how he does, and if he's still suffering some mental trauma after last night, haul him off and switch the front three around.

So does BFG start based upon that same logic?

y va marquer

No, he's a defender.

Anzac

y va marquer wrote:
No, he's a defender.

Double standards then.

IMO they were both our worst 2 performers to the extent that AW pulled Giroud whilst BFG remained on the pitch.
If one is stood down then both should be.

That said I expect AW to play both to give them an opportunity to bounce back and to preserve their mental state,
although I'd not be surprised if we are told that one or the other has had a knock and is not available.

y va marquer

It's not double standards, it's assessing each individually based on their form since Christmas, the positions in which they play, the back - up options available.

Anzac

y va marquer wrote:
It's not double standards, it's assessing each individually based on their form since Christmas, the positions in which they play, the back - up options available.

We have as many options to replace Giroud as we do BFG.

IMO the specific issue is that our preferred style does not suit BOTH BFG & Giroud,
as BFG can not play a high line,
and Giroud can not play without close support.

Biggus

Giroud and Mertesaker are taking the flak from the lazy stupid boo boys because they were at the pointy end of the games decisive moments, but others were just as culpable, our Manc reserve fucked up a few chances too before he gave the ball away for the first goal and Ospina should have done better and our 43m mega star was nowhere to be seen as usual, Cazorla and Sanchez were perhaps the only ones I would not criticise.

Anzac

Biggus wrote:
Giroud and Mertesaker are taking the flak from the lazy stupid boo boys because they were at the pointy end of the games decisive moments, but others were just as culpable, our Manc reserve fucked up a few chances too before he gave the ball away for the first goal and Ospina should have done better and our 43m mega star was nowhere to be seen as usual, Cazorla and Sanchez were perhaps the only ones I would not criticise.

Agreed - was only referring to the tone on the site that BFG is finished & should be dropped, yet Giroud seemingly deserves a break and the start again in the next game.
For mind Giroud is actually more indicative of the problems because he is only effective in the high line and close support in the final 3rd.

Bold Tone

Cazorla was MIA in central midfield defending, so much, you could have driven an articulated lorry through it.
All three of their goals could be attributed to lack of defensive cover.
Sanchez tried but, apart from one occasion, nothing came off.
Ozil was useless and Welbeck was not too bad, (imo, Biggus), on the right in the first half but hopeless at CF when Giroud got taken off.
Giroud was normal Giroud instead of super Giroud but i feel should not have been taken off unless he was going to play Walcott/Sanchez upfront. That decision, i think, was a sop to the crowd.

Also, according to that video, management vetoed Red Action from stirring up the crowd before the match.
What's that all about?
Already annoys the hell out of me that opposition supporters are not placed in the heavens so they cannot be heard!

Anzac

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11436604/Olivier-Giroud-is-a-flat-track-bully-Arsenal-need-a-better-striker-if-theyre-to-move-forward.html

Bold Tone

Flat track bully is used as an insult but is, in reality, a naive and meaningless phrase.
Crappy teams have crappy defenders so most strikers' records would be better against them.

Gazza M

striker is a problem area, but midfield is the real disaster. improving how we break up attacks in midfield will improve the quality of our forward movements. per's passing from the back is an eyesore as well.

Biggus

Change the whole fucking team if you want it's been done before many times it won't make a lick of difference- Wenger will still be the manager.

Ray

He's been good enough the past couple of months, better than what Welbeck offers. And the situation with Mertesacker is completely different to even compare.

Possibly you could play Walcott upfront, but that is another experiment in a game where 3 points is needed.

Burnwinter

A few missed chances should erase Giroud's season long superiority over Welbeck at centre forward? Dumb, frankly.

I've yet to see any substantiation of the thesis that Giroud, relative to any other striker, only functions effectively in his role when we play a high line and dominate possession. It's a made up fact. Welbeck has lots of pace, Giroud doesn't, but if that really makes us a killing machine on the counter we're certainly yet to have that theory vindicated.

There is a sound reason to argue in favour of dropping Mertesacker and against dropping Giroud. One's been out of form and the other hasn't.

Anzac

Burnwinter™ wrote:
A few missed chances should erase Giroud's season long superiority over Welbeck at centre forward? Dumb, frankly.

I've yet to see any substantiation of the thesis that Giroud, relative to any other striker, only functions effectively in his role when we play a high line and dominate possession. It's a made up fact. Welbeck has lots of pace, Giroud doesn't, but if that really makes us a killing machine on the counter we're certainly yet to have that theory vindicated.

There is a sound reason to argue in favour of dropping Mertesacker and against dropping Giroud. One's been out of form and the other hasn't.

We're NOT playing on the counter - the basic style doesn't change regardless of the players or shape.
We're still looking to play the same possession style, which suits Welbeck as much as playing a high line suits BFG.

Gunner89

Giroud's is a half decent player in good form barring a few games but his replacement is hard working Bentner on the double of what Bendtner was on

goon

Anzac wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11436604/Olivier-Giroud-is-a-flat-track-bully-Arsenal-need-a-better-striker-if-theyre-to-move-forward.html

A flat track bully that's scored against City, United, Everton and Liverpool this season alone...

Anzac

otfgoon wrote:
Anzac wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11436604/Olivier-Giroud-is-a-flat-track-bully-Arsenal-need-a-better-striker-if-theyre-to-move-forward.html

A flat track bully that's scored against City, United, Everton and Liverpool this season alone...

Never mind the numbers then.

goon

The numbers don't mean anything when you can't compare with his peers. Also not sure how relevant the numbers from 2 seasons ago are to a player who's clearly developed since then.

We obviously could do with a world class striker, and the best are likely to perform better against the best defenders and are more likely to be clinical when you only get once chance, but as Bold Tone said phrases like 'flat track bully' are completely meaningless.

Burnwinter

Anzac wrote:
We're NOT playing on the counter - the basic style doesn't change regardless of the players or shape.
We're still looking to play the same possession style, which suits Welbeck as much as playing a high line suits BFG.

That's my point. You seem to be arguing we should play on the counter, and therefore use Welbeck, because you believe we're playing a possession based game. You're wrong on both accounts in my opinion—Welbeck's been average under all circumstances, and we're not playing a game significantly based on midfield possession. The whole thing only makes sense on paper.

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