23 goals, of which 6 is in the cups against minnows and 6 in the UCL against Ajax and Apoel.

I am not against him, he is out of form and only have a meagre 11 goals in the league. I would take him for 20m.

6 goals in the CL is what Giroud has scored in 3 years here.

With Cavani it's all about what he costs in transfer fee plus wages at 29.

He keeps scoring but his performances don't inspire the confidence he will deliver in this League.

I don't know if there is a really exciting talent around who we can snap and develop behind Giroud. That would be my preference for a center forward.

Gunner89 wrote:

6 goals in the CL is what Giroud has scored in 3 years here.

Give Giroud Apoel Nicosia and Ajax and he can score the same amount. We have had very difficult groups for 3 years.

Not to mention he didn't play in UCL grp stage at all this season.

Rohit wrote:

I don't know if there is a really exciting talent around who we can snap and develop behind Giroud. That would be my preference for a center forward.

There's Jovetic, who we've been linked to again by the houseboat papers. Easily worth a punt at the age of 25. Subject to injuries, of course, but it looks like he's fit. He just doesn't get picked at the moment.

Clrnc wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

6 goals in the CL is what Giroud has scored in 3 years here.

Give Giroud Apoel Nicosia and Ajax and he can score the same amount. We have had very difficult groups for 3 years.

Not to mention he didn't play in UCL grp stage at all this season.

Yeah and I suppose the 20 odd he got in 25 games for Napoli in the champions league were poor too also the french league cup final this season, the league cup final last season, the cup final for Napoli against juve in 2011-12, Hatricks against Juventus, Milan, Lazio, Roma and Inter Milan. Just doesn't cut it does he.

Rohit wrote:

With Cavani it's all about what he costs in transfer fee plus wages at 29.

He keeps scoring but his performances don't inspire the confidence he will deliver in this League.

I don't know if there is a really exciting talent around who we can snap and develop behind Giroud. That would be my preference for a center forward.

Greizmann playing up-top for Atletico has 25, Lacazette looks promising and you want younger players gotta take a punt on Vietto, Dybala etc.

Gunner89 wrote:

Clrnc wrote:

Give Giroud Apoel Nicosia and Ajax and he can score the same amount. We have had very difficult groups for 3 years.

Not to mention he didn't play in UCL grp stage at all this season.

Yeah and I suppose the 20 odd he got in 25 games for Napoli in the champions league were poor too also the french league cup final this season, the league cup final last season, the cup final for Napoli against juve in 2011-12, Hatricks against Juventus, Milan, Lazio, Roma and Inter Milan. Just doesn't cut it does he.

It really makes you look stupid when you ignore the point that what we are saying is that it's hard for someone who's 29 to be back into his previous form after being so poor for 2 years now. Fernando Torres had superb goalscoring records for Liverpool too, shall we dig it out? It's a valid concern.

I have said it before and I will say it again, for a cheap punt I would take him. But otherwise if we are spending big I prefer a young exciting talent or someone that is better.

French league cup final? Jesus, we're really starting to reach here.

Clrnc wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

Yeah and I suppose the 20 odd he got in 25 games for Napoli in the champions league were poor too also the french league cup final this season, the league cup final last season, the cup final for Napoli against juve in 2011-12, Hatricks against Juventus, Milan, Lazio, Roma and Inter Milan. Just doesn't cut it does he.

It really makes you look stupid when you ignore the point that what we are saying is that it's hard for someone who's 29 to be back into his previous form after being so poor for 2 years now. Fernando Torres had superb goalscoring records for Liverpool too, shall we dig it out? It's a valid concern.

I have said it before and I will say it again, for a cheap punt I would take him. But otherwise if we are spending big I prefer a young exciting talent or someone that is better.

It really makes you stupid that you say somebody is so poor for 2 years and he's scoring nearly 50 goals. 

What does Torres got to do with it? Torres scored frequently ages ago.

Cavani scores frequently now.

Will he score as frequently from significant games on the wing too? No like Suarez, Villa and Henry he won't. But probably by your standards were so poor in those periods.

General Mirth wrote:

French league cup final? Jesus, we're really starting to reach here.

Yeah Milan, Juve, Inter, Roma, Lazio and all those champions league goals too.

Keep making nonsensical one-liners.

Goals are only half the story though, his performances have been poor. That's been clear in every game he's played, particularly in the Champions league.

Gunner89 wrote:

General Mirth wrote:

French league cup final? Jesus, we're really starting to reach here.

Yeah Milan, Juve, Inter, Roma, Lazio and all those champions league goals too.

Keep making nonsensical one-liners.

I don't really care what he did two years ago.

General Mirth wrote:

Gunner89 wrote:

Yeah Milan, Juve, Inter, Roma, Lazio and all those champions league goals too.

Keep making nonsensical one-liners.

I don't really care what he did two years ago.

And he's scored nearly 50 since.....

No, because I addressed that two posts above.

You seem easy to bait, I reckon i can get you banned in another two posts.

General Mirth wrote:

No, because I addressed that two posts above.

You seem easy to bait, I reckon i can get you banned in another two posts.

You seem to be a regular watcher of PSG games if you are really analysing his games. And going by a couple of high profile CL games I could say the same about Giroud if I was a fan of another team and happened to catch Giroud against Monaco at home.

Until two months ago, I wasn't sold on Giroud either.

And 2 months of form convinced you. That's all I need to know. 

I never said anything about not needing another striker, more because Welbeck barely counts as a striker anyway. The point is that Cavani does not appear to be the solution - certainly not for anything over 20m.

I think everyone has seen enough of Cavani in club and international football to assess that he just isn't at that same level he was when in Italy. The goals count in Ligue 1 may not be a fair reflection of his level. Giroud scored plenty too. He has played on the wings mostly and there is a chance he might rediscover his touch at another club, but it's just a chance. Question is what's that chance worth for a club like ours?

If Cavani was playing better or even at the same level he did in Italy, I wouldn't have a problem with us paying whatever it took to get him here, irrespective of age. He isn't though and will turn 29 soon. The goals argument can be specious.

Who said anything about Cavani's output?

Every single person in this thread expressing apprehension about Cavani is speaking about how he looks a level below he formerly did. If you only want to use goals scored as a barometer then fair enough.

Gunner89 wrote:

How many does Cavani need to score from the wing to suggest he's not at a level below?

I am not saying he's the best option or he's the perfect choice just to make it clear but his tremendous record speaks for itself and I see people slagging him off in every thread while you hear people say only Aguero is an upgrade on Giroud after 4 good months.

I think that's where we disagree - I'm honestly not impressed by a player's goal scoring record if I see their general performances being underwhelming. This is particularly because the Cavani of two years ago was an absolute tank, so to me that seems indicative of a player in decline or struggling for a lack of form which makes me feel that signing him would be a gamble.

Also, whenever I've seen him play in recent times - whether it's in the absence of Ibrahamovic or alongside him - or whether it's for Uraguay or PSG, he's not played well. Even when he's scored.

If goal records were the gold standard, Kevin Phillips would have had a better career. Hell, Harry Kane would be the best striker in the league. But he's not.

I don't disagree he might be gamble but for me that's more down to his age when one player can start slowly here and never recover. Again i reiterate that he isn't my first choice but he's pretty darn good.

I do want a signing there. Don't rate Welbeck at all.

His technique isn't as good as Giroud's and he thrives on quick transitions (we don't play that way). Think he'll struggle up top for us (yes, even at his best IMO).

Not a fan of Giroud but I think we'll struggle to find an upgrade in the summer. The biggest improvements we could make going forward is by changing the way we attack IMO.

@lorddulaarsenal wrote:

Hell of a lot of dosh on a gamble.  He'd probably be a hit in the prem though

But not for us in our current style......

Hatrick today and now on 28 goals this season.

That's 10 goals in the last 8 games. On his way back to his old self. Just get it done, Arsene.

I think Cavani is on another level compared to Giroud technically, for what it's worth. Tell me when Giroud pulls this off:

yeh, but do he do this?

That said, he's at least a different kind of player to Giroud and a definite upgrade on Welbeck!

Tactics wrote:

His technique isn't as good as Giroud's and he thrives on quick transitions (we don't play that way). Think he'll struggle up top for us (yes, even at his best IMO).

Not a fan of Giroud but I think we'll struggle to find an upgrade in the summer. The biggest improvements we could make going forward is by changing the way we attack IMO.

A thousand times this.

IMO our style is in danger of becoming inhibiting because it is becoming so precise about what it needs to function effectively - Giroud is a case in point - not just as a fulcrum for the ball players in the final 3rd, but also re his size to compensate for the lack of height in defence and midfield. 

Talk during the week that Cavani had handed in a transfer request - time to make an offer?

Juve want Cavani. Love Cavani, but maybe that means we can convince Morata...

Cannon wrote:

Juve want Cavani. Love Cavani, but maybe that means we can convince Morata...

Exactly.
;D :drool:

Anzac wrote:

Tactics wrote:

His technique isn't as good as Giroud's and he thrives on quick transitions (we don't play that way). Think he'll struggle up top for us (yes, even at his best IMO).

Not a fan of Giroud but I think we'll struggle to find an upgrade in the summer. The biggest improvements we could make going forward is by changing the way we attack IMO.

A thousand times this.

IMO our style is in danger of becoming inhibiting because it is becoming so precise about what it needs to function effectively - Giroud is a case in point - not just as a fulcrum for the ball players in the final 3rd, but also re his size to compensate for the lack of height in defence and midfield. 

Care to expand on this? 

Giroud would easily produce these numbers at PSG too. Guingamp are piss poor.

Giroud would score like three goals per season if you put him on the wing.

banduan wrote:

yeh, but do he do this?

That was better than I expected looking at the video title. I used to be very frustrated by Giroud but he's a quality footballer. I have no qualms with him leading the line for us next season.