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MistaT

So uh, how good is Jovetic going to be this season?

He's tearing it up with Man City in their preseason.

Klaus

Jovetic is going to be a star. Brilliant player.

Aparamesh

This is ridiculous. Mourinho's sales since he took over.

QuincyAbeyie

Only Luis went for a surprisingly big sum. I think people overrate Mourinho's genius, when it's in fact just that they had good players they didn't need, plus David Luiz.

Jed

Aparamesh wrote:
This is ridiculous. Mourinho's sales since he took over.

They've done annoyingly well

Gazza M

MistaT wrote:
So uh, how good is Jovetic going to be this season?

He's tearing it up with Man City in their preseason.

was a matter of time and him staying injury free

Khanuppet

Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.

Cannon

Khanuppet wrote:
Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.

Alternate view: Disappointing to see a thug getting undue fame due to football

Biggus

Khanuppet wrote:
Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.

Sad they don't have chain gangs and hard labour anymore.

Clrnc

Jed wrote:
Aparamesh wrote:
This is ridiculous. Mourinho's sales since he took over.

They've done annoyingly well

What? They even got a profit for Ba?

The thing they are doing is to get through FFP loopholes, which exclude a club's spending on youths. So they stock up youths, and if they are good enough they go straight back into the club. If they are not that good, they will sell them for large profits which goes into FFP counts. So in that sense they can always spend big whenever they want with all these profits.

marv3llous

Dont feel any of those fees are largely out of proportion, 'cept for the obvious one - Luiz. Lukaku, despite what he actually is, has scored loads of goals and is 21 years old. You can twist it any way you want, but that is £28m in todays market. Mata was player of the year for two years in a row at Chelsea with insane numbers and was sold to a rival club - £37m is reansoble. Ba and De Bruyne also pretty much fit their market value.

Qwiss

Mourinho has turned into Wenger. Its all about his ability in the market now cos he's got no real trophy 😆

Biggus

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Jed

Cannon wrote:
Khanuppet wrote:
Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.

Alternate view: Disappointing to see a thug getting undue fame due to football

Yep. Assaulted two women apparently. Bloke's an utter scumbag

Timbob

Clrnc wrote:
Jed wrote:
They've done annoyingly well

What? They even got a profit for Ba?

The thing they are doing is to get through FFP loopholes, which exclude a club's spending on youths. So they stock up youths, and if they are good enough they go straight back into the club. If they are not that good, they will sell them for large profits which goes into FFP counts. So in that sense they can always spend big whenever they want with all these profits.

Not sure about that Clarence. FFP excludes money spent on infrastructure, but if you have a bunch of young professionals on your books earning good money and costing decent amounts in transfer fees I'm fairly certain that will count towards a clubs FFP figures.

Clrnc

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/1967393/smith-youth-development-is-strictly-business

Their motive is not just the accrual of profit. Mourinho pointed out Wednesday, as he discussed Lukaku's sale, that Chelsea's strategy is designed to maximise efficiency under the rules of Financial Fair Play. Investment in their youth structures is exempt from FFP. But the money the club raise by selling players is not. They are making their money work for them. As one observer put it to me Wednesday, they are "gaming" FFP.

This is not illegal. It is completely within the rules. It is also not immoral.

Rory Smith says that's the way it works.

Rex

Think Tim was talking about the salaries of the young players, which is a fair point. However, Chelsea buy the players and immediately loan them out, so I reckon the loaning clubs are paying the players' wages.

Personally, I find it immoral to sign players with no intention to ever have them playing for the club. I think it is wrong to use young players as mere commodities that are there to make money for the club, in order to let the club sign players they actually want. That this phenomenon is within the rules is one thing, and I really hope they change the rules to prevent this, but to say it is not immoral is a bit rich IMO.

goon

Out of the players listed above, only 2 were young players, one of which cost £18m, I sincerely doubt he was acquired to make a profit. Same goes for the Belgian lad.

The 'investment in youth structure' doesn't mean buying young players, it means having the infrastructure to produce them.

Credit where credit's due, Chelsea have adapted well to FFP. They're selling the ones they don't need for a good price and buying ones they do. Better this than what City and PSG are trying to do.

Timbob

Clrnc wrote:
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/1967393/smith-youth-development-is-strictly-business

Their motive is not just the accrual of profit. Mourinho pointed out Wednesday, as he discussed Lukaku's sale, that Chelsea's strategy is designed to maximise efficiency under the rules of Financial Fair Play. Investment in their youth structures is exempt from FFP. But the money the club raise by selling players is not. They are making their money work for them. As one observer put it to me Wednesday, they are "gaming" FFP.

This is not illegal. It is completely within the rules. It is also not immoral.

Rory Smith says that's the way it works.

"Investment in youth structures" is incredibly vague. Pretty sure that covers infrastructure costs, not wages and transfer fees.

Anyway, they signed Kevin De Bruyne for £7m when he was 21 and Lukaku for anywhere between £12-18m at 18. These amounts will definitely count towards FFP break even figures, and they haven't sold any other young players for big money, unless I've missed someone? Not sure how they're 'gaming' FFP?

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