Prem stuff 14/15
So uh, how good is Jovetic going to be this season?
He's tearing it up with Man City in their preseason.
Jovetic is going to be a star. Brilliant player.
This is ridiculous. Mourinho's sales since he took over.
Only Luis went for a surprisingly big sum. I think people overrate Mourinho's genius, when it's in fact just that they had good players they didn't need, plus David Luiz.
Aparamesh wrote:This is ridiculous. Mourinho's sales since he took over.
They've done annoyingly well
MistaT wrote:So uh, how good is Jovetic going to be this season?
He's tearing it up with Man City in their preseason.
was a matter of time and him staying injury free
Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.
Khanuppet wrote:Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.
Alternate view: Disappointing to see a thug getting undue fame due to football
Khanuppet wrote:Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.
Sad they don't have chain gangs and hard labour anymore.
Jed wrote:Aparamesh wrote:This is ridiculous. Mourinho's sales since he took over.
They've done annoyingly well
What? They even got a profit for Ba?
The thing they are doing is to get through FFP loopholes, which exclude a club's spending on youths. So they stock up youths, and if they are good enough they go straight back into the club. If they are not that good, they will sell them for large profits which goes into FFP counts. So in that sense they can always spend big whenever they want with all these profits.
Dont feel any of those fees are largely out of proportion, 'cept for the obvious one - Luiz. Lukaku, despite what he actually is, has scored loads of goals and is 21 years old. You can twist it any way you want, but that is £28m in todays market. Mata was player of the year for two years in a row at Chelsea with insane numbers and was sold to a rival club - £37m is reansoble. Ba and De Bruyne also pretty much fit their market value.
Mourinho has turned into Wenger. Its all about his ability in the market now cos he's got no real trophy 
Cannon wrote:Khanuppet wrote:Ravel Morrison charged with assault. Sad to see talent go down the drain.
Alternate view: Disappointing to see a thug getting undue fame due to football
Yep. Assaulted two women apparently. Bloke's an utter scumbag
Clrnc wrote:Jed wrote:They've done annoyingly well
What? They even got a profit for Ba?
The thing they are doing is to get through FFP loopholes, which exclude a club's spending on youths. So they stock up youths, and if they are good enough they go straight back into the club. If they are not that good, they will sell them for large profits which goes into FFP counts. So in that sense they can always spend big whenever they want with all these profits.
Not sure about that Clarence. FFP excludes money spent on infrastructure, but if you have a bunch of young professionals on your books earning good money and costing decent amounts in transfer fees I'm fairly certain that will count towards a clubs FFP figures.
Their motive is not just the accrual of profit. Mourinho pointed out Wednesday, as he discussed Lukaku's sale, that Chelsea's strategy is designed to maximise efficiency under the rules of Financial Fair Play. Investment in their youth structures is exempt from FFP. But the money the club raise by selling players is not. They are making their money work for them. As one observer put it to me Wednesday, they are "gaming" FFP.
This is not illegal. It is completely within the rules. It is also not immoral.
Rory Smith says that's the way it works.
Think Tim was talking about the salaries of the young players, which is a fair point. However, Chelsea buy the players and immediately loan them out, so I reckon the loaning clubs are paying the players' wages.
Personally, I find it immoral to sign players with no intention to ever have them playing for the club. I think it is wrong to use young players as mere commodities that are there to make money for the club, in order to let the club sign players they actually want. That this phenomenon is within the rules is one thing, and I really hope they change the rules to prevent this, but to say it is not immoral is a bit rich IMO.
Out of the players listed above, only 2 were young players, one of which cost £18m, I sincerely doubt he was acquired to make a profit. Same goes for the Belgian lad.
The 'investment in youth structure' doesn't mean buying young players, it means having the infrastructure to produce them.
Credit where credit's due, Chelsea have adapted well to FFP. They're selling the ones they don't need for a good price and buying ones they do. Better this than what City and PSG are trying to do.
Clrnc wrote:Their motive is not just the accrual of profit. Mourinho pointed out Wednesday, as he discussed Lukaku's sale, that Chelsea's strategy is designed to maximise efficiency under the rules of Financial Fair Play. Investment in their youth structures is exempt from FFP. But the money the club raise by selling players is not. They are making their money work for them. As one observer put it to me Wednesday, they are "gaming" FFP.
This is not illegal. It is completely within the rules. It is also not immoral.
Rory Smith says that's the way it works.
"Investment in youth structures" is incredibly vague. Pretty sure that covers infrastructure costs, not wages and transfer fees.
Anyway, they signed Kevin De Bruyne for £7m when he was 21 and Lukaku for anywhere between £12-18m at 18. These amounts will definitely count towards FFP break even figures, and they haven't sold any other young players for big money, unless I've missed someone? Not sure how they're 'gaming' FFP?
Yeah buying players, improving them, and selling them at a profit doesn't seem like gaming anything to me.
If that is what they were doing, then it would be fine. Tell me, how has Chelsea improved Lukaku, Curtois and DeBruyne? They have been on loan for years and spent about 10 minutes at Chelsea. That hardly qualifies as 'improving' them.
Do you not think Lukaku and Curtois are much better players now than they were when they first joined Chelsea?
They were not going to improve sitting on the bench or playing for the U21's. The alternative would be not to buy them. That wouldn't be the moral thing to do, particularly if they anticipated that Curtois would turn into one of the best keepers in Europe and surpass Cech, it would just be stupid.
For the record, Lukaku did spend a season at Chelsea and De Bruyne spent six months there and in the end they both chose to leave.
They're doing the same shit we do, they've just been thinking a lot bigger about it because they're loaded.
You have to consider that Chelsea change manager about twice every 3 seasons. A guy like Lukaku is just unlucky he's come of age under a manager who doesn't spend long enough at any club to be bothered developing players.
The FFP is a corruption of the market it's normal that clubs will use different strategies to get around it according to their circumstances.
It certainly seems to have affected City and Chelsea's modus operandi.
And of course its made it much easier for the "old money" of Man Utd to get what they want.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/aug/06/howard-webb-retires-pgmol-technical-director
so howard webb just couldn't go on without fungus. he tried, but last season was too hard.
Are Utd giving him a testimonial?
coach lasso is back.
Cops dressed in hi-vis yelllow shirts.......
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Costa scored a class goal the other day against Fener.
Chelsea are going to win the league this season, the bastards.
I think they're the pundits' favourites.
pool look like they'll be really good to watch again. Imo the wheels will come off because they're an attacking team that leans hard on young attacking mids like sterling, coutinho, and potentially markovic. plus their defense is still rubbish, and they don't have a slow game that allows them to pace themselves
David James on BT Sport just now: Liverpool didn't really need Suarez last year, his 31 goals were a bit of a bonus.
Indeed. Who needs Suarez when Slippy is your captain?
Patters wrote:David James on BT Sport just now: Liverpool didn't really need Suarez last year, his 31 goals were a bit of a bonus.