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Klaus

Özil looks poor on the wing. Ramsey doesn't look good as an attacking mid; he thrives on making runs ahead of the ball. It's a no-brainer in my world: those two are the only players we can't replace. Build the team around their strengts instead of screwing around with their positions. To me that means you either sign Khedira to compete with Arteta or you look for a more suitable player.

marv3llous

Its more of a CAMLW anyway, wont make any difference to how Özil plays. Bet he will find it sweet to look for Ramsey or Khedira who both love to charge in from the deep.

innervisionscm

I don't think adding a central midfielder makes Ramsey an AM. He was still able to make runs from deep today. And in general he has been playing with a ton of freedom since preseason - it would be nice to have more cover for his runs against better teams. We rely on his end product so he's gonna be up the field a lot.

Özil looks best centrally but it's not like we have a special striker for him to feed. He doesn't score goals either. If we're going to score all our goals from elaborate midfield combinations I think it's okay to move him out of the 10. Or at least have the option of doing that sometimes, big games in particular.

I'm still skeptical/unsure but I definitely don't think it's an outrageous suggestion. We're too tippy-tappy and predictable right now. Yes I'd rather buy Cavani and just make the current system work but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.

Klaus

We don't need Cavani to make the system work; we just signed a guy who could make it work.

Part of the reason Ramsey is successful when going forward is because he's good at exploiting space. Özil is good at creating it with his movement. He drifts wide and takes a marker with him. It's a completely different game than starting wide and looking to cut in. We don't need players who cut in early from the flanks and narrows the field in my opinion. That type of football went out the window the second we bought Özil.

Mirth

I don't think Ozil has ever shown any aptitude to play as a wide player - in his entire career. He likes to drift into space on the wing but that's a completely different proposition to starting from there and working his way in. Also, there's no way he's going to run up and down the flank. 😆

I'd rather just stick

Sanchez - Giroud - Walcott

----------------Ozil----------------

--------Ramsey--Arteta-------

In a perfect world, we'd get Carvalho for days when we have to play the likes of Crystal Palace and groom him as Arteta's successor.

innervisionscm

Ramsey is not dependent on Özil creating space for him though. It's not like Lampard needed somebody dragging defenders wide to make the runs he did - you surge forward off of combination play. He is also an incredibly rounded player. I think there's a lot to be said for that Özil-Ramsey combination, but I don't think that we have the cutting edge in the team in general to reap all the advantages of such an extremely fluid offensive set-up.

I think a bit more rigidity, by contrast, would help us control difficult games a bit better and make us more solid off the ball. Every time we lose possession in midfield against good teams it's a complete catastrophe. We are also scarily weak on set pieces atm and could use Khedira over an AM like Cazorla on that front.

In the end though this won't happen and 4-2-3-1 is still great for us in a lot of ways, especially if we can get stronger performances from our wide players this season.

Mello

innervisionscm wrote:
Ramsey is not dependent on Özil creating space for him though. It's not like Lampard needed somebody dragging defenders wide to make the runs he did - you surge forward off of combination play. He is also an incredibly rounded player. I think there's a lot to be said for that Özil-Ramsey combination, but I don't think that we have the cutting edge in the team in general to reap all the advantages of such an extremely fluid offensive set-up.
season.

But that's exactly what people mean when they talk about the importance of ozil. Better movement + better combinations = more good opportunities to get forward.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

The reason Lampard didn't need anyone creating space for him was because he played higher up the pitch to begin with. He played off knock downs from Drogba who always had the defenders by their balls.

Ramsey is very different. His runs come much later and those runs won't come if you don't have players moving between the lines creating space.

Playing Ozil wide would be plain daft.

Qwiss

Ramsey isn't like Lampard at all. As IATID correctly pointed out Lampard got most of his goals from AM, he played ahead of Essein and Makelele (and then others). He took a lot of speculative shots that scored him a lot of goals. His passing, defensive rate, etc we're all much less important than Ramseys. Ramsey can dictate the pace of a game too, that is not something Lampard ever did.

Doc

Goals are more Scholes type, different player though.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

And this notion that we are weaker defensively when Ozil plays in the in the middle is overstated IMO. We just don't know how to defend as a team. Our pressing is extremely poor and we never challenge any teams higher up the pitch. More often than not, we just wait for them to reach the half way line.

Clrnc

Klaus wrote:
Ramsey doesn't look good as an attacking mid

Finally you recognised that.

Klaus

All I said was that he used to have the best final ball in the squad before we bought Özil. Stand by that.

Clrnc

Nah, you said he was great as an attacking mid and much maligned in the 2 seasons he played as it.

Klaus

I'm pretty confident that I know my own opinion.

I said it made sense to play him in a position where he could make use of his final ball, which was the one closest to Cesc we had. It was in response to people who thought he would make a magnificent defensive midfielder. This was before we signed Özil and we were discussing a midfield setup without any specialists.

flobaba

Not so keen on Khedira anymore TBH.

Gunner89

Khedira: Mou reluctant 2 enter an auction 'cause he thinks player has a personal deal with Arsenal. His agent denies it. RM want him to go

Who'll em' Ball ache off twitter

Klaus

ITK:s are using Mourinho as their source for Arsenal transfers now? How far they've fallen.

marv3llous

Guillem Balague @GuillemBalague
Khedira: Mou reluctant 2 enter an auction 'cause he thinks player has a personal deal with Arsenal. His agent denies it. RM want him to go

Well ...

I am Arsenal Till I Die

Ballbag knows fuck all.

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