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Claudius

Yeah. Ozil from 2008 to 2010 was an incredible player. Very mobile, agile, fast. And willing to go past people for the shot. He had that De Bruyne double threat. Pinging balls to Ronaldo and Benzema dulled the aggressive side of his game. I find most people who criticize him as lazy or lethargic have never seen that version. He may not have garnered the praise but he made that German National team tick

Claudius

Coombs wrote:
I only count one first team signing in that wishlist, Claud. Saliba is already ours. We need Partey + a top CB or Partey + a top CM. Honestly, we need all 3, but I don't see it happening. One of these dudes has to step up in a big way, and I think it's more likely to be Guendouzi than Mari or Torreira.

If Saliba has foibles I'm willing to live with them for a season (I expect to have to). Luiz is not the man to partner him.

I really hope we keep Ceballos, because I'm worried about losing the only playable, technically excellent midfielder we've got.

You’re right. Ceballos and Partey is a good call.
I prefer two midfielders. In a perfect world, Kroenke would show he cares and buy two players like Partey, Ssbitzer, Aouar to get the midfield firing again. Really change the narrative in the center of the park. But I don’t have faith that will happen. When we had champions league, we wasted our money on Xhaka, Mustafi, Perez and that Ozil contract. Now we’re on a Europa budget during Covid.

Gazza M

Claudius wrote:
Yeah. Ozil from 2008 to 2010 was an incredible player. Very mobile, agile, fast. And willing to go past people for the shot. He had that De Bruyne double threat. Pinging balls to Ronaldo and Benzema dulled the aggressive side of his game. I find most people who criticize him as lazy or lethargic have never seen that version. He may not have garnered the praise but he made that German National team tick

Real was the wrong move for him imo, or at least it was too early. He could've been a more complete player, but was happy to defer to ronaldo and co and just be an assist merchant.

Ray

Ozil was an absolutely incredible player, who lost motivation and wasted his career at Arsenal. He settled for money over sporting achievements (totally understandable it is a job at the end of the day) and became one of the highest paid footballers around. It’s why I’m not too fussed that we are wasting that money on him, for his talents and sticking with Arsenal, he deserves it.

Qwiss

Ray wrote:
for his talents and sticking with Arsenal, he deserves it.

Clrnc

Such a weird take 😆

QuincyAbeyie

What did I just read?

lorddulaarsenal

Clrnc wrote:
speedy wrote:
Really can't see it. Even his first touch is a few levels below where it should be. (Compaired to young ozil)

I was watching the world cup 2010 the other day and a young Ozil was truly unbelievable. He was playing and running so agile off the ball and so hard working. Like a peak David Silva kind of style, agile dribbler pass and move.

Even when he joined us his game has already changed so much from those days

Carried a goal threat from distance too

Weird how his game changed so much

Burnwinter

Ray wrote:
Ozil was an absolutely incredible player, who lost motivation and wasted his career at Arsenal. He settled for money over sporting achievements (totally understandable it is a job at the end of the day) and became one of the highest paid footballers around. It’s why I’m not too fussed that we are wasting that money on him, for his talents and sticking with Arsenal, he deserves it.

I'm going to have to log off for a few days to process this post. You win. 😆

lorddulaarsenal

He’s going in to self ozilation.

lorddulaarsenal

——————Leno
Hakimi—Tapsoba—Saliba—Saka
———-Partey—-Xhaka
Pepe———Ozil———-Zaha
————-Aubameyang

Claudius

Now Hakimi would be a great buy! Been impressive past 2 weekends.

Speaking of Bundesliga fullbacks, Alphonso Davies had complete freedom of the park against Eintracht Frankfurt who look awful

Clrnc

Real madrid would be crazy to sell Hakimi. Think they rather sell Carajal.

Honestly Alphonso Davies can't be defended against. I haven't seen a more pacy and poweful fullback than him. He tears every player he goes up against.

lorddulaarsenal

Supreme athleticism

jones

Hakimi would be a dream. Fastest player in the world apparently and incredibly good on the ball, finishes like a striker. Eight goals this season from full back

Ricky1985

From wingback, no? He really plays very high, much more like a wide midfeilder than a fullback.

He also doesn't seem that fast. More a very powerful runner, but not explosive over short distances, which is the more potent weapon. He still has some filling out to do though so the added strength will really turn him into a powerhouse.

In my opinion he is prone to heavy touches and loose short passing, it's clear why he's not a wide forward when you watch a fair bit of him.

I rate him highly and think he will make a very good right back for an elite team--perhaps Madrid will bring him back and replace Carvajal with him in time, but I think the Spaniard is the far superior right back currently so I'd be surprised--Hakimi is a very good player in the making though, for sure.

jones

He played both wingback and full back, but in the Dortmund team it often makes little difference as they never play three centre backs at the back when they play 3-4-3.

Have to disagree with your other points. His passing can be a bit inconsistent but his first touch is usually brilliant for anyone, not just a defender. He's a very capable dribbler and could easily play as a forward, but his dynamism and pace and his decent defensive instincts make him worth more running in behind from deep.

Regarding his pace I have to say it's not really up for debate. He clocked in an official 36.52km/h in February this year, which broke the all time Bundesliga record which he put up himself in 36.21km/h in December. No other player even broke 36km/h other than him, don't have a table for other European leagues but I doubt there are many others as fast as him.

Claudius

Agree, Jones. Hakimi would be a dream at either FB or WB. And it's well known that he's one of the fastest bastards in the Bundesliga as well. I remember that he and Davies were clocked at very high speeds this season.

Ricky1985

Top speed can be a deceptive measure of how effective a player's speed is in reality.

For example, Phil Jagielka, a few seasons's ago, was clocked as the fastest player in the Premier League at 36km/h, van Dijk registered the fastest top speed in last season's Champions League, and Kai Havertz has a similar top speed clocked in the Bundesliga to Hakimi.

What really counts is how many strides does it take to reach anything approaching that speed. Mbappé looks quicker than everyone else, not only because his top speed is 36km/h+, but because it's combined with acceleration that also ranks in the top bracket. Davies, for Bayern, is another rare player that combines the two; and he will beat Hakimi well if they get in a race tonight (and I hope they do because it will still be fun to watch!).

I agree Hakimi's first touch is good; I would say he's a capable dribbler but relies more on his speed and is much better when he's carrying the ball and going at opponents rather than trying to beat people in tight areas from a standing start the way Sancho, for example, does for fun.

All of that aside, I do agree Hakimi is an extremely good player and I would love him at Arsenal.

jones

I agree that top speed is deceptive but we're not talking about Sokratis for us or Distin or Jagielka who were among the fastest ever in the league over 60 metres, we're talking about a 5'10 full back.

Anyway much of a muchness, we agree he's class. We can probably also agree there's no way he's coming here anytime soon

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