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The Mesut Özil GIF/Video Thread

y va marquer

Biggus wrote:
I'm not saying he's shit, he needs of course time to fit in with the team......
But those blaming other players for not having an understanding with him are like the mother watching the troops march past and exclaim "they're all out of step except my Johnny!"

You called him a glorified Hleb Biggus, which is a loaded statement given that you thought Hleb was pure s*** 🙂

Amstel

He currently has the best assist rate per game of any Arsenal player who has played 20+ games for the club since 1988 aswell, but yeah he has been poor.

lorddulaarsenal

I think ozil is sublime. Also think their is more to come from him

Amstel

Suggesting a person's view/opinion of a player is influenced by a perceived lack of style of play they find more pleasing is not a "superfluous personal remark and jibe".

y va marquer

Nope, it's not.

Biggus

y va marquer wrote:
Is it only because we paid £42m that you expect that he would not need time to adjust and settle Biggus?

Yes Y and as I've admitted, Ozil is not responsible for what clubs agree, but I do expect much more from him, thats just the way it is.
If he wasn't worth that much well thats an accusation that must be levelled at Wenger, because players like Flamini and Giroud who cost much less or nothing are (rightly) subjected to severe examination.

Burnwinter

Amstel, calling someone "clueless" and accusing them of being unable to appreciate a player because they only like players who "tackle like headless chickens" is pointlessly aggressive.

Chill out would you, you're killing the mood, it's tiresome. The bits of your post I didn't chop got the job done fine ...

Amstel

Edited: take a hint and don't post that again. Thanks, Burnwinter.

y va marquer

Biggus wrote:
y va marquer wrote:
Is it only because we paid £42m that you expect that he would not need time to adjust and settle Biggus?

Yes Y and as I've admitted, Ozil is not responsible for what clubs agree, but I do expect much more from him, thats just the way it is.
If he wasn't worth that much well thats an accusation that must be levelled at Wenger, because players like Flamini and Giroud who cost much less or nothing are (rightly) subjected to severe examination.

OK, but as I said before I think you're destined to be disappointed by him then.
The question of his "worth" could be asked within the framework of whether or not you think we'd be sitting on top of the table if we hadn't signed him I guess.

Amstel

Mesut Özil is super. :dulaoohtobe:

Burnwinter

That's the spirit. 🙂

Biggus

y va marquer wrote:
OK, but as I said before I think you're destined to be disappointed by him then.

I think you're right.
I don't think he's the type of player that can hold the challenge (by either strength or trickery) of the last defender before belting one past a hapless keeper.
We know Wenger is not going to be spending that sort of money every transfer window but thats exactly what we needed not some expensive cog in the infernal passing machine.

Ancelotti let him go- Why?
The PL will make or break Ozil.

y va marquer wrote:
The question of his "worth" could be asked within the framework of whether or not you think we'd be sitting on top of the table if we hadn't signed him I guess.

I wanted him pulled off when we went 2-0 up against Villa as he would offer nothing in defence of that lead- But as Wenger says: Judge me at the end of the season.

Claudius

Ozil is fine. My big gripe is I do not think that we are making the most of him through our lack of movement. Yesterday I was sitting wondering why Giroud is spending most of his time playing in the 8. Neither Gnabry nor Cazorla were pulling defenders back or wide. This resulted in a very lateral game, with us firing only 2 shots in our 2 goal first half.

I'd like to see Ozil become to the attack what Per is to the defense. He needs to stand up and tell these guys were to be so that they can make the most of his abilities. Bergkamp used to do this all the time - direct offense. Ozil needs to do much more of that

Biggus

Claudius wrote:
Ozil is fine. My big gripe is I do not think that we are making the most of him through our lack of movement. Yesterday I was sitting wondering why Giroud is spending most of his time playing in the 8. Neither Gnabry nor Cazorla were pulling defenders back or wide. This resulted in a very lateral game, with us firing only 2 shots in our 2 goal first half.

Giroud was coming deep all the time because he wasn't getting the ball- Ozils fault.

Claudius wrote:
I'd like to see Ozil become to the attack what Per is to the defense. He needs to stand up and tell these guys were to be so that they can make the most of his abilities. Bergkamp used to do this all the time - direct offense. Ozil needs to do much more of that

Exactly- Thats what we expect for 42m.

Captain

Giroud wasn't deep most of the time and we had more than 2 shots; it was five with two on target when we went two-nil up and there was another 20 odd minutes to play in that half alone.

goon

The 'people don't appreciate what Ozil does' line is not only patronising but it's flawed too. It's the sort of argument that can be justified with Hleb and Rosicky but not someone who's the best no 10 in the world, his contribution should be obvious to the most dimwitted viewer.

At the moment it isn't obvious, his contribution is too subtle and too sparse. As his authority, understanding and adaptation to his new role, team and league grow then he'll almost certainly get better but at the moment I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a little more from him going forward.

ebouefan

kamikaze wrote:
Klaus wrote:
Was just your average Szczesny pass according to some in the match thread. I find the lack of understanding for what Özil brings to the team very surprising.

it's a good pass, but i find that non-football playing hipsters are over-impressed by fairly simple and obvious throughballs. i'd be annoyed if one of my 5-a-side or 7-a-side teammates didn't play that ball.

Didn't know you play with Fabregas and Xavi. 🙂

Rex

Not only did he see Monreal's run, he also released the ball at exactly the right moment, and the pass was absolutely perfectly weighted. IMO not many players in the world can do that on a consistent basis, but Özil can and does.

Gurgen

I think he's done well so far but I wish he would take more risks with his dribbling. Yesterday there was one moment when he was on the edge of the box with one defender to beat but he chose to cut back and pass to Cazorla instead of going for it. He needs to use his skill and pace more in those situations, he used to do that more at Madrid.

Rex

Developing Özil's own goal scoring is something Wenger seems certain to try to bring out of him. He will never be a great goal scorer though IMO. He has always been a quite poor finisher.

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