Clrnc wrote:otfgoon wrote:Might sound odd but I'd also say if you've got 89% of the ball you're doing something wrong.
Agree. Wenger did explain why it is the case, when you dominate that much, you pin your opponents back too much and that is a negative effect.
MistaT wrote:No room left to exploit - defenders locked in and what not.
Death by football?
Napoli, Dortmund, & Arsenal all sit on top of their leagues at the end of this weekend.
Im actually well up for this. First reaction is to always whine about a hard group but this one features such tasty teams so i cant actually wait for this. Should see some cracking games.
Will be out of office for this. So will get to watch it. Awesome.
have to admit thats a good goal (vela goal on p1)
and very right about 89% possession being stupid. celtic should've hardly had a shot, but barca defended so poorly. holding the ball is no substitute for defending. it just makes it harder to score and you leave yourself vulnerable because of all the space behind you.
Possession and passes don't mean shit.
The object of the game is to put ball in the net once more than the opposition.
"We've had a number of years with homegrown coaches in charge, first Pep and then Tito," the 26-year-old told La Gazzetta dello Sport. "We occasionally tended to exaggerate our possession based stye of play to the point where we were slaves of our own philosophy. Now we have Tata as our coach, who has the same football philosophy, but also has other alternatives and that is a very positive thing in my opinion."
"If you are under pressure, there's nothing wrong with a long ball every now and then. That changes the game and could give you some rest and oxygen. You have to keep improving and developing in football or you will become predictable."
Anyone seen much of Barca this season? Have read Fabregas is looking a lot better this season & Neymar is showing promise so am guessing the coach might of tweaked things.
Biggus wrote:Possession and passes don't mean shit.
The object of the game is to put ball in the net once more than the opposition.
"Money doesn't mean shit.
The object of the market is to buy more stuff than everyone else."
Comment?
Your post was illogical.
If a result is important, the means to achieve that result is also important.
If scoring goals is important, possessing the ball and passing it into attacking positions so as to create scoring opportunities and thereby score goals is important.
If not conceding goals is important, possessing the ball and passing it to retain possession so that your opposition cannot create scoring opportunities and thereby score goals is important.
If buying stuff is important, having money to buy it with is important.
Burnwinter wrote:Your post was illogical.
No your reasoning is fallacious.
Burnwinter wrote:If a result is important, the means to achieve that result is also important.
No it's not, it's the result thats the important bit not the means of achieving it.
Burnwinter wrote:If scoring goals is important, possessing the ball and passing it into attacking positions so as to create scoring opportunities and thereby score goals is important.
And whether it's done with 100 passes or 1 is all the same if it results in a goal.
Burnwinter wrote:If not conceding goals is important, possessing the ball and passing it to retain possession so that your opposition cannot create scoring opportunities and thereby score goals is important.
Not really pertaining to the point I was making but okay, there are many way of stopping the opposition scoring like parking the bus etc, the important thing is that you stop 'em- The point is the outcome not the means it's achieved.
Burnwinter wrote:If buying stuff is important, having money to buy it with is important.
Sure, no arguments here.
Imo we've always had money to buy.
Another terrible post. You're on fire.
If by "terrible" you mean I marauded through your post like Attila the Hun well then yes.
Possession and passing are crucial to scoring goals. 99.9% of goals scored involve having the ball and then passing it prior to the goal being scored.
Likewise if you don't have the ball you're not scoring.
So why say such obviously stupid shit? You guys are citing the 89% possession Barca had in that match as if it's some sort of touchstone of footballing normalcy when in fact it's the exception that proves the rule.
You wouldn't be able to find a handful of other games with such skewed possession that didn't result in a loss for the team without the ball.
I can't remember where I read it or seen it, but Wenger said before over possessing is rather detrimental at times, especially when you have no catalyst to break the defences.
I think it was when Messi was injured last season and Barca struggled.
Shooting and striking the ball don't mean shit. Its just goals that count.
Clrnc wrote:I can't remember where I read it or seen it, but Wenger said before over possessing is rather detrimental at times, especially when you have no catalyst to break the defences.
It's not really possession itself that's at fault there, but the tactical response of teams that know they will be, or are being, thoroughly dominated.
The percentage possession stat is not all-encompassing and is subject to diminishing returns as dominance of the ball reaches saturation, but if you study the relationship between results and possession you'll definitely see that teams that win tend to have more of the ball.
Lol, I don't think I've ever heard from a football fan with such a belligerently dismissive attitude towards 'passing' as Biggus. Might aswell claim that tackling, heading, saves, shooting, control, first touch etc is all meaningless. I bet when Biggus goes to a game he just watches the goal lines like a hawk, cos everything that happens between the two goals just pisses him off.
He was a keeper; explains most of it.
Timothy wrote:I bet when Biggus goes to a game he just watches the goal lines like a hawk, cos everything that happens between the two goals just pisses him off.
