Burnwinter wrote:Marv's theory doesn't make any sense does it? With Liverpool relatively miffed about our behaviour, you'd hope we're not just fucking them around - got to be a serious bid.
It makes very good sense, and its not just Marvs theory the "bullshit" is the idea that Wenger was serious about spending that amount.
Nonsense.
Offer and acceptance is contract law ... you're not going to make a potentially legally binding offer of £40m without accepting the possibility you may have to follow it up.
the 40 + 1 is such a pisstake, and has created an unnecessary layer of shite around this transfer. still amazed someone at the club actually sanctioned it.
Why is it a pisstake?
If the release clause was over 40m, then that's what it would take to trigger it. Liverpool are just whiny little bitches who can't keep their mouths shut.
As I understand it, nominal values are normal in contracts because they remove ambiguity.
If Suarez has a £40m clause of some sort, a £40m+1 bid definitely triggers it, whereas there might be argument over £1 less. IANAL etc.
Burnwinter wrote:Nonsense.
Offer and acceptance is contract law ... you're not going to make a potentially legally binding offer of £40m without accepting the possibility you may have to follow it up.
Indeed it would have been hilarious if it had been accepted, but it wasn't and we're not going to offer any more.
Maybe it was part of some elaborate plot to get Higgy cheaply but if it was it's failed miserably so Wenger has his excuse- "Oh well I tried- now I can pick up Jean-Pierre le Merde for peanuts like I always wanted."
Right - so what's the Biggus strategy when we bid on a player and our bid is rejected?
Don't forget to answer the question(s) by the way.
Which player? Suarez-
Err you know my answer, I wouldn't even have bid the bloody pound!!!
Nice try, but only question 2b is specific to Suarez you weasel. 
Captain wrote:Why is it a pisstake?
If the release clause was over 40m, then that's what it would take to trigger it. Liverpool are just whiny little bitches who can't keep their mouths shut.
my understanding is that it was a confidential clause, not something to be made public to potential bidders. that's why their their hierarchy is so upset, the 40 + 1 is a provocative move to them.
Biggus wrote:Burnwinter wrote:Marv's theory doesn't make any sense does it? With Liverpool relatively miffed about our behaviour, you'd hope we're not just fucking them around - got to be a serious bid.
It makes very good sense, and its not just Marvs theory the "bullshit" is the idea that Wenger was serious about spending that amount.
Hmm. Well to my mind that particular theory isn't so much a response to the bid of £40m+£1 as it is an expression of an overarching Arsene view.
The fact that our bids have so far failed to produce a signing, and have now reportedly alienated Liverpool, means that people who already believe that Wenger will not spend big are using this as evidence to support what they already believe.
Clearly nobody can prove this wrong unless we sign Suarez but it certainly does not make this "smokescreen, keep the fans happy" theory true.
Perfect conspiracy theory.
Do you think we should've bid up to £41m, offering an extra £1m, just not to hurt their feelings Gaz?
They probably would've worked out we were aware of the clause anyway.
Their hierarchy should get out of football asap if they can't handle the realities of this environment.
y va marquer wrote:Biggus wrote:It makes very good sense, and its not just Marvs theory the "bullshit" is the idea that Wenger was serious about spending that amount.
Hmm. Well to my mind that particular theory isn't so much a response to the bid of £40m+£1 as it is an expression of an overarching Arsene view.
The fact that our bids have so far failed to produce a signing, and have now reportedly alienated Liverpool, means that people who already believe that Wenger will not spend big are using this as evidence to support what they already believe.
Clearly nobody can prove this wrong unless we sign Suarez but it certainly does not make this "smokescreen, keep the fans happy" theory true.
Perfect conspiracy theory.
Especially considering that our two confirmed bids this summer (Bender and Suarez) were both testing supposed release clauses and were revealed by the selling club on each occasion.
Burnwinter wrote:Do you think we should've bid up to £41m, offering an extra £1m, just not to hurt their feelings Gaz?
They probably would've worked out we were aware of the clause anyway.
probably. first time i've seen a bid like this though, and it hasn't really helped our chances by winding them up so much.
not that it matters to me. i don't want suarez here anyway.
Think we all know each other's opinion now and the only options left seem to be status quo or the Suaz monster.
Status quo is for another thread so if we get him, do you think we will make a profit when we sell him or will he be Wenger's biggest monetary loss as, i think, we all accept he is a nomad who will, more than likely, be gone in a couple of years max.
I genuinely see nothing wrong with the 40m+1 pound bid. That's (or was supposed to be anyway) his release clause.
At the moment we are just reinforcing the perception that Arsenal is an also ran club. At some point you need to bid big and follow it all the way through, even if you end up paying more than you'd like, cos that's what big clubs do to land big targets.
And all this conspiracy stuff is nonsense and tedious. Switch your brains on and stop posting bullshit.
First para: we need to land Suarez at this point, unless we have a truly amazing plan B that includes a real marquee name. We don't need to go straight to £50m to "force" Liverpool's hand, though. That wouldn't necessarily force anything at this point. It's all about timing.
Second para: endorsed.
Burnwinter wrote:Nice try, but only question 2b is specific to Suarez you weasel.
R U Capi in disguise?
I answered the question- NO SUAREZ!
As I say if you want a player you don't take a knife to a gun fight, you take a bazooka.
Timothy wrote:At the moment we are just reinforcing the perception that Arsenal is an also ran club. At some point you need to bid big and follow it all the way through, even if you end up paying more than you'd like, cos that's what big clubs do to land big targets.
And all this conspiracy stuff is nonsense and tedious. Switch your brains on and stop posting bullshit.
Eh? You basically agree that Wenger isn't serious about bidding and he's just taking the mickey, if he wants the player and the money is available he should not stuff about he should just buy the fucking player and stand by his decision! But this is Wenger, a man who would walk into a high class brothel and ask for a discount.....
And then you say it's a conspiracy, make you mind up Tim.
I didn't "basically" say what you're saying I said, nor did I say it's a conspiracy, so prob best if you try again. Many thanks.
Bold Tone wrote:Think we all know each other's opinion now and the only options left seem to be status quo or the Suaz monster.
Status quo is for another thread so if we get him, do you think we will make a profit when we sell him or will he be Wenger's biggest monetary loss as, i think, we all accept he is a nomad who will, more than likely, be gone in a couple of years max.
It's like everything it depends on how he does Tone innit.......
If we buy him and he flops Wenger will be the biggest cunt under the sun- Not even Capi will be able to make up excuses for him.
If he does well- IE keeps his head down keeps his spittle to himself talks to black people and scores a few goals we might make a few quid on him.
BTW I don't foresee this second scenario.
Burnwinter wrote:First para: we need to land Suarez at this point, unless we have a truly amazing plan B that includes a real marquee name. We don't need to go straight to £50m to "force" Liverpool's hand, though. That wouldn't necessarily force anything at this point. It's all about timing.
Oh I agree. No problem with us haggling as hard as we can. But we have to be prepared to follow this all the way through, even if we eventually have to pay more than we think he's worth. Go big or go home.
Biggus wrote:Bold Tone wrote:Think we all know each other's opinion now and the only options left seem to be status quo or the Suaz monster.
Status quo is for another thread so if we get him, do you think we will make a profit when we sell him or will he be Wenger's biggest monetary loss as, i think, we all accept he is a nomad who will, more than likely, be gone in a couple of years max.It's like everything it depends on how he does Tone innit.......
If we buy him and he flops Wenger will be the biggest cunt under the sun- Not even Capi will be able to make up excuses for him.
If he does well- IE keeps his head down keeps his spittle to himself talks to black people and scores a few goals we might make a few quid on him.
BTW I don't foresee this second scenario.
Would you still prefer Torres rather than taking a "risk" on Suarez?
Timothy wrote:Burnwinter wrote:First para: we need to land Suarez at this point, unless we have a truly amazing plan B that includes a real marquee name. We don't need to go straight to £50m to "force" Liverpool's hand, though. That wouldn't necessarily force anything at this point. It's all about timing.
Oh I agree. No problem with us haggling as hard as we can. But we have to be prepared to follow this all the way through, even if we eventually have to pay more than we think he's worth. Go big or go home.
At this point, Arsenal need Suarez to force it from his end.
Timothy wrote:Burnwinter wrote:First para: we need to land Suarez at this point, unless we have a truly amazing plan B that includes a real marquee name. We don't need to go straight to £50m to "force" Liverpool's hand, though. That wouldn't necessarily force anything at this point. It's all about timing.
Oh I agree. No problem with us haggling as hard as we can. But we have to be prepared to follow this all the way through, even if we eventually have to pay more than we think he's worth. Go big or go home.
Also endorsed.
Basically the only way we can screw up this Suarez deal now and retain our dignity is if we turn our attention to a player of Fabregas's calibre and land him. A bench-warmer like Sanchez isn't going to cut it even though he's good. Our reputation's on the line here.
We could always sign Rooney...
Dignity wise that'd do it. I don't want him though, nor do I particularly want Suarez, but we've been over that and the reasons why some do or don't.
Yeah, that would work. But we would have to outbid Chelsea by the looks of it.
Timothy wrote:I didn't "basically" say what you're saying I said, nor did I say it's a conspiracy, so prob best if you try again. Many thanks.
Its there in black and white Tim.
Timothy wrote:At the moment we are just reinforcing the perception that Arsenal is an also ran club. At some point you need to bid big and follow it all the way through, even if you end up paying more than you'd like, cos that's what big clubs do to land big targets.
You agree that Wenger is fucking about not making a serious bid for the player.
Timothy wrote:And all this conspiracy stuff is nonsense and tedious. Switch your brains on and stop posting bullshit.
But you disagree that he's fucking about and we should accept his bid on face value?
I hold the wild and irrational belief that we are seriously interested in signing Suarez but want to get him at a price that's not ludicrously inflated because of circumstances.
I agree that at some stage in the process we're going to have to go higher than the £40m + £1 if we want to push this through.
There is also the argument that £50m for Suarez is too big a gamble.
I was already wobbling at paying £40m for the psycho.
Liverpool are just full of it, briefing journalists left, right and center.
They'll cave soon enough; Liverpool will say they have got a fantastic deal, Arsenal will say nothing, the world will turn and the grass will be still be green.
It's unthinkable that Arsenal would have added the £1 to their offer for anything other than activating a release clause. They would have been encouraged to do so. An inquest is needed if the intelligence on the clause was wrong but seriously we didn't bid for kicks so that if Liverpool tired of the clown said yes, we would back off and say we weren't serious, this was all a play on the fans sentiments at this moment.
Irish gunner wrote:Would you still prefer Torres rather than taking a "risk" on Suarez?
I'd prefer Chamakh to that a dirty racist asshole like Suarez.
If the rumor saying the clause can only be triggered by a CL club is right this could take a while. Wish Madrid would just buy the racist tomorrow. 
Biggus wrote:Irish gunner wrote:Would you still prefer Torres rather than taking a "risk" on Suarez?
I'd prefer Chamakh to that a dirty racist asshole like Suarez.
Sure.
Rex wrote:If the rumor saying the clause can only be triggered by a CL club is right this could take a while. Wish Madrid would just buy the racist tomorrow.
Ah, that's interesting, who broke the rumour?
Rohit wrote:It's unthinkable that Arsenal would have added the £1 to their offer for anything other than activating a release clause. They would have been encouraged to do so. An inquest is needed if the intelligence on the clause was wrong but seriously we didn't bid for kicks so that if Liverpool tired of the clown said yes, we would back off and say we weren't serious, this was all a play on the fans sentiments at this moment.
Problem is, Liverpool thinks we are taking the piss with that 1dollar.
