You're right. The other clubs' fans don't give a shit about us now, it's true.

When we get thumped or have a bad beat my Liverpool supporting co-worker only sympathises instead of mocking me. 🙁

What's with the desperation to classify us as non A-list or mid table?
I wonder if Wenger were to leave would the downgrading cease?
For me, in terms of English football we are A-list and amongst the top tier despite our current form.
In terms of European football we can't claim to be amongst the top until we win the CL.

Burnwinter wrote:

Biggus might claim that 3rd (our most recent place) is, for all intents and purposes, equivalent to 10th, but you can imagine with what reserves of sangfroid he'd react if we actually did finish in 10th place.

I couldn't give a damn if we finished 3rd or 10th, so long as Wenger is manager we'll never win the CL.

Burnwinter wrote:

In our case: better players, better football, bragging rights over Spurs, romantic European Cup ties, and, though trophyless, closer to a trophy than the club would otherwise be.

Oh yeah? show me these better players, this better football, I saw the romantic European Cup tie last week but it's a relief to know we're closer to a trophy than we'd otherwise be....

I couldn't give a damn if we finished 3rd or 10th

Absolute bullshit Biggs.

y va marquer wrote:

For me, in terms of English football we are A-list and amongst the top tier despite our current form.

Err I don't know how to break this to you Y va........

Burnwinter wrote:

You're right. The other clubs' fans don't give a shit about us now, it's true.

When we get thumped or have a bad beat my Liverpool supporting co-worker only sympathises instead of mocking me. 🙁

We obviously aren't the only ones suffering. It'll be a 1st when supporters from other clubs start chanting "Wenger out" 😆

Biggus wrote:
y va marquer wrote:

For me, in terms of English football we are A-list and amongst the top tier despite our current form.

Err I don't know how to break this to you Y va........

it feels like when Newcastle used to say they are a big club. Yes you can understand why (their fan base) but......

Toon last won the league in 1927, but, you know, whatever floats your boat.

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A big fan base nor a big fucking white elephant of a stadium doth not a big club make.

I know, Just saying it is laughable when they call themselves a big club and though not quite the same it kinda feels laughable to describe us as an "a list" club. We don't have the CV of an elite club just as Newcastle don't have the CV of a big club

No European Glory
No back to back titles
No Trebles
No trophy in 8 years
No real superstars in the squad

It sort of feels like the only reason why we are there or thereabouts is our financial power, just as Newcastle could technicaly say they are a big club because of their unique demographics. Like we we are there on a technicality.

You're right, Arsenal's not a big club.

We're only the fifth richest club in the world by revenue (and fourth most valuable by estimate)* and 13 times winners of the English top flight, and 10 times the FA Cup and the historically most successful club in the biggest city in the most storied nation and league of world football.

Why not just pushing this barrow and comparing us to West Ham or what have you? Of course everything you guys say about our recent results is true (and I know that as well as you do) - but put it in rational perspective.

Burnwinter wrote:

You're right. The other clubs' fans don't give a shit about us now, it's true.

When we get thumped or have a bad beat my Liverpool supporting co-worker only sympathises instead of mocking me. 🙁

Hmm...fans of other clubs that I know generally wax lyrical about everything Arsenal; they 'have' intimate knowledge of our finances, our players, what happens in the dressing room, what wenger eats for lunch, what colour Theo's boxers are...

Must be an international thing.

@Lagos Drafted that before I read your post. I agree with you anyway, just get bored by all the rhetorical cheap shots.

@Capi This guy knows a bit about Arsenal, but I mean to say he doesn't resent our successes because we don't really have any to resent (for the moment). So he just sympathises when we, like Liverpool, suck from season to season.

I didn't say we aren't a big club Burnsy, I said we aren't A-list. The comparison wasn't like for like but relative. Our achievements make us a big club but are we really elite?

You could say Newcastle are a big club because technically speaking they have a big fan base
you could also say we are an elite club because we are always there hobnobing with the rich and famous and financial might.

EDIT: just seen your post.

Burnwinter wrote:

@Capi This guy knows a bit about Arsenal, but I mean to say he doesn't resent our successes because we don't really have any to resent (for the moment). So he just sympathises when we, like Liverpool, suck from season to season.

Yeah, clearly nobody resents our success but almost every fan is 'concerned' with our failure.

took a while to trickle down to the fans

True, they're all "poor you, losing all your players, never signing anyone good".

Can't trust it, it's like your mate patting you on the shoulder when you break up with a girl he always fancied.

We're a naturally big club due to our history, fan base, financial power, stadium and the fact that we've been among the best sides for over a dacade. It's why Liverpool are also a big club.