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General Football 2013/14

Klaus

flobaba wrote:
You do what's best to facilitate an optimal balance for the team.

An 'optimal balance' would require the best central midfielder in the team and the best playmaker in the world to play centrally. Moving Özil is nonsense.

flobaba

We'll find out soon enough

Klaus

We've already had plenty of opportunity to do it, but Wenger has opted for giving Gnabry his first start ever and then putting Ramsey on the wing instead.

Timbob

Plus Ozil is worse than Arshavin defensively. We put him wide for five minutes against Swansea and they suddenly started killing us down that side.

Clrnc

Arshavin used to be worse but he started caring soon after. Totally affected his normal game.

lorddulaarsenal

A fit arshavin was ridiculously good

Rex

Yep. He was great in those Euros. 🙂

Ray

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24556846

Another fucking international break, how many have we had since the start of August?

Volante

International breaks came at a decent time for us this season to be honest. We could do without one in November though, crucial month for us.

Volante

Wonder who the 'mole' is. My money is on Danny Welbeck:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/england-boss-hodgson-caught-up-2460799

Here are the thoughts of Stan Collymore for those interested:

No clue if it's actually racist or not, but why on earth is Roy Hodgson talking about monkeys and NASA at half time of a football match?!

invisibleman18

Guess he meant "feed the monkey" as in "give the ball to Townsend." Seems harmless from the NASA joke but a little foolish to use that word in the current climate.

Burnwinter

Roy having a bit of a David Brent moment there, bringing in a silly analogy suitable to a management consulting exercise which also happens to have an offensive undertone.

Klaus

Such a weird joke to tell. Hodgson is an intelligent man too. Should be able to see where the analogy fails. But above all, you'd think that he doesn't need it in order to make his point. He's usually one of my favourite pundits to listen to, precisely because he avoids cheap rhetorics like this.

Edit: Just realised it was something he said in the dressing room and not in public. Doesn't really change anything but slightly alters the point I suppose.

Biggus

Oh for heavens sake it was just a joke, and a funny one at that because Townsend looks like a fucking monkey haha- Do you see how that works.......

Since Bale is gone he's the new Spurs chimp lookalike, and yes I'm aware that chimps are actually apes not monkeys.

Burnwinter

No one posting here is indicting Hodgson as a racist, and yes, it is quite a funny joke in my opinion.

I just happen to think that management by telling jocular fables about monkeys and astronauts is pretty lame: and in this case he's also put his foot in it by drawing a line between a black player and a monkey.

Biggus

Is Townsend black?
I thought he just had a tan!
I genuinely don't look at people and think- Are they black or white or asian......

Surely we've moved on from only black players being called monkeys, there are black players who look like monkeys there are white players who look like monkeys and there are Hispanic players who look like monkeys.

And look at Woy, he looks like everyones favourite uncle who hasn't changed his hairstyle or clothes style since 1980, (like Wenger) and who tells the same old jokes at Christmas.
The poor old bloke wouldn't have a clue what is currently "hip" and what isn't nowadays.

Burnwinter

Biggus wrote:
Surely we've moved on from only black players being called monkeys

Sure, most of the white people who were never bothered about it in the first place have "moved on".

But these guys haven't:

and neither have the black guys who've had to put up with it or watch others put up with it, so it's still going to be pretty sensitive even in a blurred sort of case like this one.

Klaus

It's pretty straightforward to be honest. The word carries a completely different connotation when you asssociate it with black people. Roy should have realised that, closed doors or not. No one is making a 'thing' of this, but it is a bit of a Brent moment like Burnsy said.

Biggus

Well we discussed this before- Just like beauty is in the eye of the beholder filth is in the ear of the hearer, and it's not up to you, me, the media or anybody else to appoint ourselves as adjudicators of public morality, if the person in question feels insulted they have every right to complain and the laws are there to help them.

Imho to say that words carry 'a completely different connotation when you associate them with black people' is in itself racist, as it treats people differently.
Bale is a monkey Tevez is a monkey Townsend is a monkey, and Martin Keown god help him looks like a monkey.

It's all right for you Burnsy, as OMITT's phrenology expert you're more qualified to make distinctions than me.

CitizenNo9

Klaus wrote:
It's pretty straightforward to be honest. The word carries a completely different connotation when you asssociate it with black people. Roy should have realised that, closed doors or not. No one is making a 'thing' of this, but it is a bit of a Brent moment like Burnsy said.

Absolute nonsense!!

so now you can't mention monkey because black people are around? Personally I think deliberately not using the word monkey is an insult to the intelligence of all blacks. it's like you think we are that sensitive too stupid to recognise the difference or the context. It's more racist to think you can't say the word black because a black person is present because it means you see the black person and see monkey.

Any black who can't deal with an innocent story about a monkey has issues that isn't the problem of the free word. Anyone who refuses to tell a story about a monkey because a black person is around is either racist trying to be sensitive or too far gone down the road of political correctness.

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