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Ricky1985

United have power and defensive discipline by the bucket load, it didn't do them a lot of good last night.

I have no problem with our style of play I just have a problem with our inability to play it properly.

Biggus

Well they've won enough with it haven't they?

And what about the problem that Wenger will never spend the money to acquire the players that can play it properly?

Ricky1985

He's trying to bring them through, the same way Barcelona have.

United have won enough, but they haven't won as much as Barcelona, and as you're a man so focussed on the result, on the outcome - nothing wrong with that btw - I'd have thought you'd appreciate that the way Barca go about playing football has proven to be very, very effective. Spain have shown it successful on the international stage, too.

Kel Varnsen

Ricky1985 wrote:
He's trying to bring them through, the same way Barcelona have.

United have won enough, but they haven't won as much as Barcelona, and as you're a man so focussed on the result, on the outcome - nothing wrong with that btw - I'd have thought you'd appreciate that the way Barca go about playing football has proven to be very, very effective. Spain have shown it successful on the international stage, too.

thing is, barca/spain have loads of proper quality footballers. intelligent footballers. how many arsenal players can you honestly say thrive in a pass and move set up? wilshere, ramsey, vermaelen, rvp and cesc? 5 out of 20 something players...

Ricky1985

I agree we don't have enough of them, you know I've had a problem with that for a long time, but nearly all the talented young players we have coming through are schooled in playing that kind of quick, one and two touch football, and I guess the idea is that they come through and supplement the players that we already have. Eventually reaching a situation, similar to Barcelona, where we have 4 or 5 mainstays in the team who have been taught to play the football we want them to play, and have played it together for years and years in the youth side. No amount of money can buy you that kind of chemistry.

Next season alone we have Gibbs, Lansbury and Coquelin coming into the squad (I know Gibbs was there this year, but he'll play much more next year), who have spent years playing together, playing our way, and there are more coming. People scoff at the idea, but Jack has shown this year that having that deep understanding of both the football and with your team mates makes transitioning into the first-team much easier.

Biggus

Ricky1985 wrote:
He's trying to bring them through, the same way Barcelona have.

United have won enough, but they haven't won as much as Barcelona, and as you're a man so focussed on the result, on the outcome - nothing wrong with that btw - I'd have thought you'd appreciate that the way Barca go about playing football has proven to be very, very effective. Spain have shown it successful on the international stage, too.

No not the same way Rick, Barcelona much like Liverpool in the 70s & 80s are a football machine where young players gradually replace older established ones in a orderly conveyer belt fashion, that way every one of them know what the clubs traditions mean and whats expected of them.
Wenger gutted our team of experience and tradition in a Khmer Rouge style year zero pogrom.
It's no wonder we have a bunch of rabble who can't defend and a pack of brats who proclaim themselves football stars at 20.

Spain won the world cup using boring cynical defensive tactics to achieve something that had begun to weigh heavily on them.
I said at the time when it appeared they would go out at the group stage but overcame that mental barrier that I feared they would win it.
They were pragmatic- thats the key and I applaud them for it.

Xcdude24

That's hyperbole and you know it, biggus. Webber sold the lot of the invincibles because they weren't up to snuff. What went wrong was the fact that they weren't replaced with experienced quality.

Biggus

Xcdude24 wrote:
That's hyperbole and you know it, biggus. Webber sold the lot of the invincibles because they weren't up to snuff. What went wrong was the fact that they weren't replaced with experienced quality.

No it's not, the bones of the Invincibles were good enough to make the CL final two years later, Gilberto was still playing CL football last season and Sol and Jens even played for us recently- he gutted them too early.
Webber out!

Burnwinter

😆 But Webber Knows Biggus!

Damn you autocorrect 😃

y va marquer

FIFA’s ethics committee are to suspend Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner pending a full inquiry for their roles in the bungs scandal.

However "No investigation against Blatter is warranted.”

Bin Hammam was Blatter’s sole challenger in Wednesday’s election.

Running the world of football - it's a filthy game.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/249683/Skulduggery-It-s-just-ludicrous-says-Sepp-Blatter

Biggus

I wish a group of FA's would leave FIFA and set up their own rebel International football association.

Timbob

Biggus wrote:
Spain won the world cup using boring cynical defensive tactics to achieve something that had begun to weigh heavily on them.

Spain were pretty much the only big country that played proactive football in the world cup. It was hardly their fault that nobody was good enough, or brave enough to come out and give them a game.

Every other fancied team played on the counter.

lorddulaarsenal

cant believe argentina didnt win it

Timbob

The Argies were probably the only team with enough good footballers across the park to take Spain on. But they put a mad coke head in charge.

Clrnc

Anybody watching the LC playoffs? 3-1 to Swansea so far, but Reading fighting back. Great match.

est

Ricky1985 wrote:
United have power and defensive discipline by the bucket load, it didn't do them a lot of good last night.

Power is pretty much useless against Barcelona. If anything, big and strong players are usually the ones that can't handle their play.

Quick, agile and technically good players are the solution.

Timbob

Personally, I thought on the day Utd's defensive discipline went to shit. Just like the '09 final they looked like they were caught between wanting to press Barcelona high up the pitch and get them on the back foot and sitting off and keeping their shape. Didn't really do either in the end.

Timbob

If there is a solution to beating Barcelona, or at least giving yourself a fair chance, it's to decide how you're going to go about defending and then commiting to it completely.

Either do it like Inter, Chelsea and Madrid (in the last few games) sit off, keep your shape and give up any hope of having decent spells of possession, or do it like we did at The Emirates and Valencia did earlier in the season and press high as a team. Both have risks, but at least you're giving yourself a shot.

Madrid, in the 5-0, and Utd the other night seemed to treat Barcelona as just another team, pressing in certain areas of the pitch, dropping off in others, and got torn apart.

Xcdude24

y va marquer wrote:
FIFA’s ethics committee are to suspend Mohamed bin Hammam and Jack Warner pending a full inquiry for their roles in the bungs scandal.

However "No investigation against Blatter is warranted.”

Bin Hammam was Blatter’s sole challenger in Wednesday’s election.

Running the world of football - it's a filthy game.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/249683/Skulduggery-It-s-just-ludicrous-says-Sepp-Blatter

I've been following this one somewhat closely, and it amazes me how much corruption there is at the most visible level. You have to think that it goes all the way to the bottom as well. I reckon Blatter will come out unscathed, but I wouldn't rule out the possibility of Qatar's WC bid being revoked.

Ricky1985

Tim wrote:
Personally, I thought on the day Utd's defensive discipline went to shit. Just like the '09 final they looked like they were caught between wanting to press Barcelona high up the pitch and get them on the back foot and sitting off and keeping their shape. Didn't really do either in the end.

I agree, they were torn apart time and again right through the middle. Their midfield was bypassed with an unusual ease - their defenders got a taste of what it's like playing for us!

Ferguson set his team up in a really strange way, Wenger would have got slaughtered if he made a similar move, it definitely hindered rather than helped their cause. I don't think United would have played that way when Quieroz was there, someone who had a big say in what they did tactically.

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