You seem to believe, quite mistakenly, that UEFA haven't already covered the legal framework. Nobody is delaying anything with paperwork without serious consequences for themselves.

Your racism point is still absurd.

Why is it absurd. Because you refuse to acknowledge that an institution's inability to act decisively in a key issue affecting its business is not an indicator that they might fail to act decisively on another important issue. As we were then, sir.

Because they are two completely unrelated subjects with distinctly different intentions. As you were, indeed.

http://www.uefa.com/uefa/footballfirst/protectingthegame/financialfairplay/news/newsid=1908817.html

Málaga CF (ESP): The club is excluded from participating in the next UEFA club competition for which it would otherwise qualify in the next four seasons (i.e. 2013/14, 2014/15, 2015/16, 2016/17). In addition, Málaga will be excluded from a subsequent UEFA competition for which it would otherwise qualify (in the next four seasons) if it does not prove, by 31 March 2013, that it has no overdue payables towards football clubs or towards employees and/or social/tax authorities, in accordance with the UEFA Club Licensing and Financial Fair Play Regulations.

Málaga has also been fined €300,000. The prize money withheld on 11 September 2012 (as a conservatory measure) will be released.

Claudius wrote:

Why is it absurd. Because you refuse to acknowledge that an institution's inability to act decisively in a key issue affecting its business is not an indicator that they might fail to act decisively on another important issue. As we were then, sir.

UEFA are not a weak organisation, if they're genuinely serious about implementing the FFP it will happen. Also there are some big clubs that have thrown their weight behind the FFP that can force the issue as effectively as PSG and City can fight it.

But my understanding is that the FFP will prevent clubs from being mired in debt and going under rather than curtailing sugar daddies. At best, it'll stop City and PSG from paying insane prices but they'll still have deeper pockets than we do.

Flat Cap Wanker wrote:

If UEFA want ffp to work, it will work; there is no doubt about that.

Indeed, this PSG case will be quite interesting. All it will take is one big club being made an example of and the rest will fall into line, to be fair PSG are dispensable club when it comes to CL football. If it had been say R.Madrid I honestly couldn't see them having the guts to take them down but PSG might be in trouble if UEFA want it to work. They have made a lot of noises about it and all the top clubs do support it as they have nothing to worry about as they are run properly and if anything will favour them and will bring prices for top players down. The only ones who worry are Chelsea, Man City & PSG, no harm will come to the competition if any of them are thrown out imo. Those clubs need UEFA more than UEFA need them, I don't think any of them have the clout or ability either to get the top teams to break away from UEFA either.

That shows you where the so-called "fair play" policy is aimed, the commercial behemoths Man Utd Barcelona & Real should have no problem conforming to the new regulations, so as you were then these clubs can continue with their "fair" advantage untroubled by vulgar new upstarts.

Well that's how it works for us. It's not like we stick to the top tier despite being poor cousins, we're vastly rich compared to most.

Aye. The idea isn't to put the top clubs out of business but rather that you should get by on your own means. A fair competition would allow clubs to grow and build a foundation for success which isn't really the case today.

lagos wrote:

FFP even if it works simply means there won't be any new City's or Chelsea's. Who does that help?.......the big clubs. Malaga? those are exactly the sort of clubs that FFP wis designed to suppress. The money bags have already spent all the money they need to, they don't need to spend too much going forward to maintain their respective levels. FFP was designed to keep clubs from gate crashing the party, however for the establishment and the rough who've already gate crashed there will be more goodies to share.

I don't disagree with that but the line had to be drawn somewhere. For every Man City and Chelsea, there were clubs that have been taken over and ended up getting mismanaged as a result.

Also, I don't think the FFP was ever designed to stop sugar daddies. Certainly not determined ones. Granted, it'll make it harder to achieve the sort of instant gratification that City and Chelsea have enjoyed but if that means new owners seeking to challenge the current order have to put up some semblance of thought and effort, then it'll be worth it.

Additionally, teams need replacing at some point within the next five years. Hopefully City won't be able to replace their squad by throwing money at it the way Chelsea have done in the past couple of years.

Also, the problems facing Malaga are different - it's another case of an owner playing around with the clubs resources. Malaga owed money to several people, playing staff and organisations - including Villarreal (for the transfer of Cazorla) and Osasuna and have rightly been punished. I doubt Chelsea or Man City ever put themselves in that position.

Klaus wrote:

Aye. The idea isn't to put the top clubs out of business but rather that you should get by on your own means. A fair competition would allow clubs to grow and build a foundation for success which isn't really the case today.

😆 'allow clubs to grow and build a foundation for success' against Man Utd Barcelona and Real Madrid......

Fuck off Klaus.

😆 And how do you think United became the club they are today? By pure happenstance?

Maybe you should stick to the "Fuck Barcelona" soundbites and let other people discuss football. The trolling is getting old.

Answer the question- How is it better for the game that existing advantages are maintained and protected?
Whats wrong with them not having it all their own way, more competition is good Shirley.

It's simple. Existing advantages are only maintained and protected to the degree that they're a result of hard work and club building. You could say a lot of things about Bayern Munich or Manchester United, but you can't exactly accuse them of buying their way to success with artificial money. They're examples to aspire to, or used to be at least.

As for Real Madrid, they will be royally screwed by the FFP.

But from a neutral point of view, City and Chelsea have spiced up the competition. They haven't spoiled the league in that it is now more popular than it's ever been.

And they're not good enough that they can win the league or CL every season.

I preferred it when we won titles but I prefer the league as it is now.

Yeah we all aspire to be like Man Utd......

More money and competition in the game is a good thing, although the spiralling of top players wages is a concern we more than many clubs have benefited selling to Man City, you do realise that that golden goose will be well and truly stuffed if, by some strange series of events FFP will actually work to some degree.

Bullshit. Every time a club like City and Chelsea changes the dynamic of this league, there's a knock down effect on clubs that they climb on the backs of.

Teams like Everton and Aston Villa and (whisper it) Tottenham put in a lot of good work building themselves into genuinely contenders for the top four but they were derailed by City winning the lottery and leapfrogging everyone. Why is that fair? I know we complain a lot but, in the long run, we can and should be able to cope with it. I genuinely feel for Everton or Villa who came pretty close to breaking the top four monopoly between 2005-2009 and, with the demise of Liverpool, would have broken through by now. Sure, they made a few bob selling Lescott and Barry but the Champions league is what clubs need to develop. Particularly Everton who are really struggling financially and still putting together a good team. If they ever manage to stay in the CL for a couple of seasons, they'll transform that club.

Had there been as many clubs cock blocking our way 15 years ago, things would have turned out differently for us. All our nicely laid out plans would have been confined to the shredder a long time ago. I'm all for having a free market when it comes to transfers but Manchester City - particularly under Hughes - fed off the clubs around them to push for a top four place just because they could afford higher wages. That's not competitive.

I totally get that it's good to see more contenders for the title but, really, does anyone have any interest in Manchester city? Watching them celebrate their league win was such an empty feeling. At least whenever United or Chelsea or Spurs win something I go through feeling envious and angry. City could have been anyone.

General Mirth wrote:

Bullshit. Every time a club like City and Chelsea changes the dynamic of this league, there's a knock down effect on clubs that they climb on the backs of.

Teams like Everton and Aston Villa and (whisper it) Tottenham put in a lot of good work building themselves into genuinely contenders for the top four but they were derailed by City winning the lottery and leapfrogging everyone. Why is that fair? I know we complain a lot but, in the long run, we can and should be able to cope with it. I genuinely feel for Everton or Villa who came pretty close to breaking the top four monopoly between 2005-2009 and, with the demise of Liverpool, would have broken through by now. Sure, they made a few bob selling Lescott and Barry but the Champions league is what clubs need to develop. Particularly Everton who are really struggling financially and still putting together a good team. If they ever manage to stay in the CL for a couple of seasons, they'll transform that club.

Had there been as many clubs cock blocking our way 15 years ago, things would have turned out differently for us. All our nicely laid out plans would have been confined to the shredder a long time ago. I'm all for having a free market when it comes to transfers but Manchester City - particularly under Hughes - fed off the clubs around them to push for a top four place just because they could afford higher wages. That's not competitive.

I totally get that it's good to see more contenders for the title but, really, does anyone have any interest in Manchester city? Watching them celebrate their league win was such an empty feeling. At least whenever United or Chelsea or Spurs win something I go through feeling envious and angry. City could have been anyone.

I was actually delighted to see them win on the last day if only to see United suffer. Me and my dad watched with massive interest. Brilliant last day of the season.

One flew over the cuckoo's nest I agree, but it's a free capitalist country and this sort of thing happens. Life is not fair.

i actually quite enjoyed the way city won the title. i still watch that aguero goal whenever i come across it. just brilliant. am i envious of their fans, not in the slightest. their wins just don't register with me the way man united wins piss me off.