Also City have been pathetic this season.

It is a mystery how man u are so far ahead this season. How they have so many points when their defence is average, they have a goal scorer but so do Liverpool. Their midfield is hard working but nothing special. Probably team morale/training, dodgy referee decisions and fungus experience has helped them.

Claudius wrote:

They also have an exceptional manager in ole red nose

I did sort of say that...

MistaT wrote:

Say what you want but Carrick and Evra are better than "good".....

Carrick is excellent and oddly seems underrated by many people. All in all it would be a stretch to call him exceptional. Evra is just good for me.

What most stands out in a comparison between Man U and Arsenal on the player front is that they have exceptional forwards. Plural. We have Giroud and Gervinho. Somewhat simplistic, I know, but hey ho.

Basically - Had we kept Song and RVP I am convinced we would have been right up there with them.

Carrick is the best holding midfielder in the league. I'd say that makes him better than 'good'.

Maybe if Carrick was Spanish or German he'd get more recognition?

Carrick is having a good season as is Evans but I wouldn't call them quality which will win titles, put him in our team and he would do a similar job to what Arteta does.

Exactly. It is all about their forwards.

SamDaGooner wrote:

It is a mystery how man u are so far ahead this season. How they have so many points when their defence is average, they have a goal scorer but so do Liverpool. Their midfield is hard working but nothing special. Probably team morale/training, dodgy referee decisions and fungus experience has helped them.

Van prick has scored against us,chelsea away, city away, liverpool home and away, tottenham away.

Suarez has scored 14 of his 22 goals against 4 teams (Wigan, QPR, Norwich and another bottom feeder)

How many of our players would make their team? Jack, Santi....anyone else?

I used to be blinded by hatred and underrated them all these years but apart from having overall a much better team(squad), their set up is better ; they play a simpler game(easier to win trophies), better coached and most importantly they've got a winning culture at that club.

Their defence was uncharacteristically dodgy in the 1st half of the season but they've rectified it since the turn of the year. They've kept 6 clean sheets in their last 10 PL games and didn't concede more than a goal in the others.

Btw they could have also won the league without Van Judas in my opinion. They should have actually won it last season and they were competing with a very good City side(not the joke of a side we've seen this season).

Let's not kid ourselves guys, we need serious investment and a lot of work on the training ground to catch up with them.

Of course we do. All I am saying is that Sneezey is comparable with De Gea in quality. Sagna and Gibbs/Monreal are comparable to Evra/Brazilian twin. Difficult to say Arteta/Ramsey/Wiilshere is a much worse midfield to what they have. Walcott would get games for Man U wide and Cazorla would get games for them similarly to what Kagawa gets. Mostly about their strikeforce being well superior to ours. At least when we are only talking players.

Shady Shakes wrote:

Maybe if Carrick was Spanish or German he'd get more recognition?

Always thought so.

There are very few people who actually rates Lampard and Gerrard as top quality.

Are you kidding me?

Gerrard is like the second coming of Jesus in the English media. And undeservedly so.

The media is very rarely the opinion of the common man though, it's what they'd like him to believe.

Gerrard is an absolute top class footballer.

Defo. Lampard as well. Find it incredibly strange though that Carrick mostly has been overlooked by the English NT.

Didn't he announce his retirement from international football after he was snubbed from the World Cup squad?

E: Apparently not, since he's starting against Montenegro tonight.

Outside of England they are not really rated and its unfair.

People always tell me Ballack is better than Lampard etc

you don't think ballack is better than lampard?