Clrnc wrote:

I saw the link from A-M few weeks ago, will try to find it again.

Isn't release clause supposed to work differently? Considering Dortmund said they have been informed few days ago that Gotze wants to talk to Bayern and move away, it definitely isn't illegal.

That changes it then. I thought they implied that they had agreed terms without getting permission first.

Remember one of the Dortmund directors said we bid 35m last year? But Gotze didn't want to move to us because he wants to stay at Dortmund for a few years more. What rubbish, now he jumped at the chance to Bayern. He clearly was waiting for a bigger pond.

I think its quite a cuntish move. He is a Dortmund boy since 2001, and has been there for a long time. He should be Dortmund through and through, and that the team is doing well in europe so far and can only get bigger. They just completed one of the most dramatic UCL quarters ever and should be very united as a team no? Yet he chose this time to announce and move to their biggest rivals.

That's what 12m euro per season will do to you.

Anyway, take a look at this guy's timeline. He called it a few days ago that one of his friends was told by Wenger after the Fulham match that Gotze is moving to Bayern. 😆

https://twitter.com/dommanning

Here we are moaning about RvP, this would be like Jack joining Man Utd! To make things worse they won the league last season and a day before their semi finals in the CL!

Could of at least out of respect waited until the season was over before confirming it.

Agree, timing is shocking.

But everyone has their price.

Captain wrote:
Irish gunner wrote:

I don't mind, we were never signing him anyway and I'm glad that he hasn't gone to an english club.

Kroos is getting a bit shafted here, I presume that Gotze will take his place?

Who knows? New manager, new style. I imagine the immediate loser is Robben.

Depends on whether he sticks with the Bayern 4-2-3-1 or tries to implement a Barcelona style 4-3-3.

I could see Gotze playing Iniesta's role if Guardiola goes the Barca route.

Bayern have a ridiculously good squad by the way. The thing is, we should really take inspiration from them, apart from Martinez and now Gotze, I don't think that they've spent a lot (I'm really not sure).

General Mirth wrote:

I wonder how Dortmund fans feel.

They're going nuts on reddit, massive kick in the teeth for them.

Pep might want to play Gotze as false 9. Make no mistake, Gotze is an immense talent. When he turns it on he is absolutely fantastic. But who will drop out from Bayern if they don't play false 9? Kroos is great, Mueller is super important to them, Ribery is Ribery.

I would take Shaqiri or one of their strikers from them if they are selling. Shaqiri has been quite amazing in his fringe minutes for them.

Don't give two fucks about Gotze, cunt for moving to Bayern and for announcing it now. Sympathies for all Dortmund fans, that club is like ours, except they still manage to compete somehow.

The "somehow" is the fact that they don't have two other clubs with the financial power of Bayern in their league.

No, it's because they don't sit on their money or splash it out on average nobodies like us.

Mainly what Capi said.
This year, Chelsea are as good as, but we have to contend with Citeh and United as well. Next year, an injury to RVP would bring United back to our level, but Citeh and Chelsea would probably improve.

I think its more of down to how good/shrewd Klopp is and their scouting/youth system.

Their replacements and signings are almost all nobodies at first too, but they manage to integrate it perfectly into their system. Lewandowski, Gundogan, Piszczcek are nobodies at first too. Perisic and Leitner too to a lesser extent. Only Reus was a big spend.

Meanwhile we lose players every year and sign underwhelming players. Sometimes we don't even sign anybody and promote youths who are clearly not ready. We does do well to strengthen areas we are weak at, but yet at the same time lose players from positions we are strong at. That happens every year. Wenger's coaching has stagnated imo as well.

Irish gunner wrote:

Bayern have a ridiculously good squad by the way. The thing is, we should really take inspiration from them, apart from Martinez and now Gotze, I don't think that they've spent a lot (I'm really not sure).

Half of them are from their academy but the ones that they did buy came at massive cost. Off the top of my head:

Neuer - 22m euros
Martinez - 40m euros
Ribery - 25m
Robben - 25m
Gomez - 35m
Boateng - 15m

Mandzukic was undisclosed and dante was like 5m or something.

Easy-ish to do that two or three times. But i would be very surprised if they can recover from losing Gotze and Lewandowski.

dreamlord wrote:

No, it's because they don't sit on their money or splash it out on average nobodies like us.

They are twenty points behind the league leaders right now, having lost kagawa and sahin the summer before. They are about to lose Lewandowski and Goetze in one window.

Almost everyone that they sign is a step down from who they are replacing, but given time and opportunity they improve. It's not magic, they just have less competition within the league and thus more time to get it right.

They don't sit on money but neither do we; the limiting factor for both teams is wage competitiveness.

Sahin, Kagawa, Goetze. Move to local main rival. All sounds too familiar.

Captain wrote:
Irish gunner wrote:

Bayern have a ridiculously good squad by the way. The thing is, we should really take inspiration from them, apart from Martinez and now Gotze, I don't think that they've spent a lot (I'm really not sure).

Half of them are from their academy but the ones that they did buy came at massive cost. Off the top of my head:

Neuer - 22m euros
Martinez - 40m euros
Ribery - 25m
Robben - 25m
Gomez - 35m
Boateng - 15m

Mandzukic was undisclosed and dante was like 5m or something.

Oops, I was very wrong then!

Fuck, 35m for Gomez?? :o

Also, re:- Clrnc's twitter message above, Wenger was clearly (and unsurprisingly) interested but got blown out of the water by the wages on offer at Bayern. Implies that Gotze was interested in coming here too.

Irish gunner wrote:

Oops, I was very wrong then!

Fuck, 35m for Gomez?? :o

It's all in euros, but I wouldn't say that you are wrong.

The position that Bayern find themselves in is highly enviable. If we could get to a point where most of the team is coming from the academy with a big money signing every summer, we would be laughing and that's really what we are working towards.

They also have good control over their wage bill because of the composition of that squad and that's the hardest thing to emulate, in my opinion.

Actually I don't think we ever had a chance or that Gotze ever thought about coming here over the other options. Nowadays we have fallen so far that unless the players ain't that top or nobody else better is in for him, we are not in a position to fight, money or not. Anyway 32m pounds for him is a great deal imo.

yuv wrote:

Sahin, Kagawa, Goetze. Move to local main rival. All sounds too familiar.

How is Madrid and Manutd local main rival for Dortmund?

Yeah Capi, but they've had an impressive CL run as well, and they haven't fluked it like Chelsea either, but instead been the better team against Madrid and City.