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The Greatest Show on Earth (Premier league) 12/13

Qwiss

Corruption I seriously doubt. United bias is pretty obvious. The reason for that bias I wonder about. 90% of me says its just ingrained due to the press, Fergie's influence etc so that refs are afraid to give things against United. 10% of me wonders is there some subtle suggestion to refs to maybe favour United a bit more to keep them in the title battle. Like the way home nations get a big bias in World Cups, etc

Qwiss

Patters wrote:
Tony Montana wrote:
I was obviously going to make a point from that depending on whether you answered yes or no.

Namely, if you play the game then little rakes, trips and contacts like that do affect a player's motion and can easily lead to falls. It seems like you're making an over technical point.

Easily a foul.

I obviously take that into account. Even if someone doesn't play football, it's common sense. e.g. Ankle-taps are minimal contact but you can see the player lose balance and fall. But in this case I think he was looking for it and could've stayed on his feet. But obviously there was contact - and unfortunately if he had stayed on his feet but was slowed down, or stumbled a bit, then the referee don't tend to give those as fouls. So I understand why Torres went down. I understand why it's a free-kick. But I'm just saying it's not as clear cut as some think. At the same time, I also agree that the referee shouldn't book players for 'no contact diving' if they're not sure. Clattenberg can't be sure - it was a mistake from him.

Did you see the replay blown up on Sky? His studs drag down Torres shin pads. Its all very quick in real time but the contact is pretty strong.

YounGunner

Think everyone is exaggerating. The only decision Chelsea could have felt undone by was the offside and even that was very hard to spot by the linesman.

Torres was very fortunate to get away with a yellow in the first place

y va marquer

Well whatever the outcome today, and regardless of the typically unfairly United way it came about, I reckon City will still win the league.
Don't get why Di Matteo hauled off all three of Mata, Oscar and Hazard.
I know they were under the kosh with only nine and all but surely either Hazard or Mata was the most likely to grab an unlikely equaliser?

Tony Montana

I hope it goes down to the wire between the big three.

Tony Montana

I think Chelsea will bounce back. They missed Lampard's experience imo as well.

IBL

Vantastic wrote:
Fuck football

You wanna change your name mate?

Mirth

Chelsea have lodged a complaint over 'inappropriate language' allegedly used by ref Mark Clattenburg to two of their players

Conor

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/oct/28/mark-clattenburg-accused-racial-slur-chelsea

If its true, I think his career as a referee is over.

IBL

any idea what was said?

invisibleman18

Thought Chelsea approved of racism didn't they? They were certainly booing Ferdinand for speaking out against Terry. Suddenly it happens to one of their players and now they don't like it.

Timbob

Really hope its not true. Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mikel is outright lying though.

Klaus

Ashley Cole probably heard everything.

Burnwinter

qs! wrote:
How can anyone compete against the blatant bias United get?

y va marquer wrote:
Clattenberg made the wrong decision in sending Torres off, the goal was offside.
There will be people who will argue that Torres did dive. It will be contentious.
I would guess that Clattenberg has a bias towards United but I could not prove this.
It's a bit of a stretch to say what happened today is clear unambiguous proof of corruption in football.

qs! wrote:
Torres red was in no way debatable or contentious or worth making any arguments about. Its quite clear it was the wrong decision. I can't even see how you can find any mitigating circumstances for it.

It always comes back to these pointless arguments about whether or not the decisions were correct. Some decisions are correct, some are wrong, many are contentious. Does it matter? How often in any of these cases, even the most certain, could anything be legally proven? Doesn't matter if it's conscious, pre-planned, a result of intimidation or of corruption really.

What matters is that United walk away with an unlikely, critical away win against one of their main title rivals because of it.

It's like any other systematic disadvantage—like gendered pay disparity, for example. The outcomes are clear whether or not the dynamics that produce them are.

Let's see what happens when Ferguson finally fucks off and United's permanent incumbency gets a shake up.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

Apparently he caled Mata a Spanish twat. 😆

Rex

The Swedish PL studio had Patrik Andersson as a guest. Andersson won the CL with Bayern Munich and also played for Blackburn and Barcelona btw.

He worked as a scout for Man U for a period, and was told by the Man U staff that his main objective was to find players as good as they already had or better. This is the interesting part: He was shown a video of a player who represented what they did NOT want. A central defender who was gifted, but played with too many risks. The player? David Luiz from his Benfica days. 🙂

I find it quite interesting. We actively seem to look for exactly that type of CB. I say that since we currently have both Vermaelen and Koscielny who also defend in that 'pro active' risky way that Luiz does, and in Vermaelen we have a player who is equally liable to abandon his position and gallivant forward and assume the position of support striker.

ludovicvanzis

Well that's what happens when you're a flithy rich and powerful club. You get to pick and choose. That's the point I was making in the Arteta thread (or whatever thread it was). We don't really have a policy, we just buy a player if he's quality and then we try to make it work. Regarding center backs, we were interested in Smalling and we bought Mertesacker so we know for sure that we're not just interested in one type of defender. The thing is we can't afford to be picky.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

Luiz wouldn't have been a bargain though. 🙂

Clrnc

Watching the highlights again, honestly Chelsea simply steamrolled United after they went 2-0 down. De Gea made some fantastic saves, the United defence was everywhere defending desperately. They would have won easily had it not been the ref. And even after they went 9man, they still attacked with menace. Head and shoulders the best team in the league at the moment, and even then we weren't THAT outclassed when we faced them.

We can really have a go and the United defence, they haven't kept a clean sheet the entire season have they? Their attack look very potent though.

Rex

We look likely to score against Man U, but they in turn are a lot more likely to out score us. They have at least 3, probably 4, strikers who I rate higher than Ior at this point. 🙁

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