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"20 Seasons of the Premier League" Awards

Captain

Had half a mind to put Fabregas in but then remembered that I can't stand him.

y va marquer

Didn't cross my mind for a second to put him in there.

squallkid

Why do all of you hate Fabregas so much?

Klaus

Most people don't.

He's one of the two best playmakers I've ever seen in Premier League anyway. If he'd stayed a bit longer I would have picked him ahead of Scholes.

Biggus

squallkid wrote:
Why do all of you hate Fabregas so much?

I can't speak for others Kid, but I hate him because our whole playing style was changed just to suite him, (which of course subsequently proved a failure anyway), then he engineered a move to another club, but the sneaky little prick refused to ask for a transfer thus depriving us of value on the open market.
The club he whored himself to openly tapped him up disrespected us and abused our facilities mocking us in pictures taken there.
All the time he remained deceitful to us fans and he acts like we still loved him and appreciate all he's done for us- Whatever thats supposed to be.

He's no better than other despicable characters like Cole and Hleb, the only difference is he was a whole lot cleverer about it.

RonBurgundy

Captain wrote:
Schmeichel
Neville Ferdinand Campbell Cole
Ronaldo Scholes Vieira Pires
Shearer Henry

This is correct.

Timbob

That the team I went for too, except I had keane instead of scholes.

Biggus

As fun as it seems picking the greatest Man U sides of the PL, I think I'll pass.

I am Arsenal Till I Die

Captain wrote:
Schmeichel
Neville Ferdinand Campbell Cole
Ronaldo Scholes Vieira Pires
Shearer Henry

Shearer over Bergkamp? :o

Captain

Yep, second best premiership striker by some distance.

Mirth

Seaman
Dixon Campbell Adams Winterburn
Ljungberg Vieira Fabregas Pires
Bergkamp Henry

invisibleman18

Great looking team Capit and I think mine would be virtually identical. But in reality there's no way 5 Arsenal players will make it (that's counting Cashley since his best years were generally with us) . Would be surprised if it's more than Henry and Vieira to be honest. Van Horseface usually tends to get into these teams doesn't he? Can't imagine Beckham not making it either.

Tony Montana

Biggus wrote:
squallkid wrote:
Why do all of you hate Fabregas so much?

I can't speak for others Kid, but I hate him because our whole playing style was changed just to suite him, (which of course subsequently proved a failure anyway), then he engineered a move to another club, but the sneaky little prick refused to ask for a transfer thus depriving us of value on the open market.
The club he whored himself to openly tapped him up disrespected us and abused our facilities mocking us in pictures taken there.
All the time he remained deceitful to us fans and he acts like we still loved him and appreciate all he's done for us- Whatever thats supposed to be.

He's no better than other despicable characters like Cole and Hleb, the only difference is he was a whole lot cleverer about it.

In a spin off note I don't know why people get so emotionally attached to the players. If you're a teen who wants to emulate a certain player then fair play. But when you get older you should just appreciate great players. The idolatry is just too much. I admit Henry is my favourite Arsenal legend.

But the way people worshipped Fabregas and then hated him immediately when he left is a bit weird. He was never gonna stay here forever. He was clever in how he left to go to Barca and we were clever in how we got him originally. We won nothing while he was here so he either isn't as good as OMT's asking price or the team as a whole wasn't good enough. I suspect the latter and that's Wenger's fault.

Players aren't fans, they are employees with agendas and ambitions like all of us. All I want is for Arsenal to win the Premier League title. I don't care about the players and their loyalty. Win the damn trophy.

Biggus

Agreed Tony, I only hate certain players for the sneaky underhanded manner they leave the club, true I always hated Hleb and Gallas but thats another story.
Others like Vieira Henry who openly asked for and got moves served us well and earned their release-good luck to them.

Rex

"Earned their release"? Like prisoners getting their sentences reduced for good behavior?

Burnwinter

The parallax in these conversations about who was or was not a great player is like having your head in a vise.

It's a feat of Orwellian absurdity to convince yourself that Cesc was not a good player here. Just accept that you didn't personally like him and move on.

Biggus

Err wrong thread Burnsy, this isn't the perfect Arsenal player thingy, its the greatest PL team in the last 20 years, and since he never even won a premiership I think it's a feat of Orwellian absurdity to convince yourself that he even deserves consideration.

Burnwinter

Clearly you agree that he deserves consideration, since you've devoted multiple paragraphs in this thread to considering him for the purpose of slagging him off? 😃

I believe your assessment of Vieira vs Cesc isn't grounded in their individual qualities, it's based on the fact that Vieira won a few trophies. Well he played alongside Henry, Bergkamp, Campbell, Gilberto, Pires, Ljungberg and Seaman, left off a few names no doubt - and that's the main reason he won the trophies.

The rest is retrospectively tweaking the parameters of your rhetoric regarding the respective manners of their departure in order to fit your gut feeling ...

I wouldn't propose Fabregas in a first XI of PL history but that's neither here nor there in my rejection of such dubious vitriol.

Biggus

Burnwinter wrote:
Clearly you agree that he deserves consideration, since you've devoted multiple paragraphs in this thread to considering him for the purpose of slagging him off? 😃

Nope, he deserves consideration purely for the purposes of slagging off, not for some greatest PL team (as you agree).

Burnwinter wrote:
I believe your assessment of Vieira vs Cesc isn't grounded in their individual qualities, it's based on the fact that Vieira won a few trophies. Well he played alongside Henry, Bergkamp, Campbell, Gilberto, Pires, Ljungberg and Seaman, left off a few names no doubt - and that's the main reason he won the trophies.

Not really- although it doesn't hurt, both of them were given a free role.
Vieira used his to be a powerful box to box engine driving everyone around him forward, Fabregas used his to piss about as the hub of a horrendous Sisyphean passing machine.

As Fabregas now admits he is benefiting from more mature tactical leadership.

http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/896511-barcelonas-cesc-fabregas-says-he-didnt-trust-arsenal-teammates

Burnwinter wrote:
The rest is retrospectively tweaking the parameters of your rhetoric regarding the respective manners of their departure in order to fit your gut feeling ...

Again- nope, it's well documented that Cole Hleb & Fabregas were all in contact with other clubs before permission was give by us.

Burnwinter

Not really- although it doesn't hurt, both of them were given a free role.
Vieira used his to be a powerful box to box engine driving everyone around him forward, Fabregas used his to piss about as the hub of a horrendous Sisyphean passing machine.

Pure silliness. Fabregas was as vital to our campaign in 09-10 as Van Persie has been this season, not to mention the years around that. Swap either into the Invincibles or the class of '98 and you'd still have a mentally good lineup.

So Barcelona underpaid (your view) £30m plus addons for a player that can't make a positive contribution or help win a trophy? Instead he's gone there and probably been their second or third best player behind the best players in the world.

As I said, this seems more about your dissatisfaction with the trophy drought and your dislike of the Fabregas monobrow, rather than what he can do on the pitch.

Also you seem to think that Madrid didn't tap Vieira up, well, believe what you like I guess ...

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