Can you draw me a picture?
Jan Vertonghen
Sorry I meant from a Pyramid to a V.
So instead of what we have now
--- Rosicky
Wilshere --------- Songwe'll have
Rosicky --------- Wilshere
------ VertonghenAhh ok. The legendary 3 pointed diamond. I prefer that anyway, but i prefer martinez to vetonghen for that role.
What's wrong with Song?
Loses the shape of midfield all the time.
Nothing. He is better than Vertonghen, I can tell you that much.
Why do you people think that the manager wants a dedicated DM?
i see jan mainly as a defender. i can't see him dislodging song for the dm position.
Gazza M wrote:i see jan mainly as a defender. i can't see him dislodging song for the dm position.
Song doesn't wanna be a DM. He doesn't enjoy it, he doesn't stay in position, which makes us susceptible to the counter. Song will be moved forward to compete with Jack, Tomas and Rambo.
Thats definitely not right. Even if M'Vila or Vertonghen joins, Wenger will give them the freedom to roam too.
Moving Song forward is a bad choice. He is not even half as good as the others attacking wise. He is fine with what he is now.
Song roams forward because Wenger allows him to. Do people really believe Song is going on these runs forward of his own accord?
If Wenger instructed Song to sit and just hold in front of the defense we'd look much more solid, but he encourages Alex to get foward.
If we went back to the system of one 'holder' with two ahead of him rather than the double pivot we play now we'd get much more out of Alex.
Wenger isn't ignorant of a players desires. However if we sign someone that loves to defend and wants to sit, he'll do that. Wenger won't force him to get forward.
There is no denying his Belgian international team-mate Thomas Vermaelen definitely has a huge part in his desire to shift to England. He said few days ago, “ I have instructed my agent carefully," Vertonghen said. "He knows which clubs I want to join and Arsenal are one of them.
"Arsenal are a magnificent club and I hear a lot of good things about English football. If a club of Arsenal's calibre can reach agreement with Ajax, then I will gladly go over.
"I haven't signed anything with them yet. But I went to watch them against Milan, together with my Ajax team-mate Siem de Jong, after Vermaelen invited us."
However Barcelona are also said to be keen on the 24-year old after El Mundo Deportivo reported Pep Guardiola was closely monitoring his progress at Ajax as he looks to for a suitable replacement for the ageing legs of captain Carlos Puyol.
He also distanced himself from cash-rich club Manchester City, saying he prefers the ‘city life’ better further indicating a affinity to London.
Vertonghen pretty much spilled the beans which club in London too when he just shrugged when asked about Tottenham Hotspurs.
Nice.
seems like he really wants to come here, but i'm not sure we have a spot for him. it's not like we're going to switch to a 3-man defence.
I'd say Djourou would have to follow Squillaci out of the door for it to to happen.
Hmm sometimes if wenger is sweet on a player he'll just go get him
so vertonghen would come here to ride the pine? and mertesacker would be 4th choice? makes no sense whatsoever for anyone.
we can upgrade our forward line though. jovetic would be fantastic, and if gervinho or walcott have to leave to make that work, then fine.
if he is indeed willing to 'ride the pine' as it were, then I'm all for this. I don't see it happening though.
Do not want. If we've got £15-20m to spend let's drop it on a forward.
Ricky1985 wrote:I'd say Djourou would have to follow Squillaci out of the door for it to to happen.
Would be very ideal.
Vertonghen won´t improve us anywhere. We have no need whatsoever for him.
We have a need for quality players all over. I know there is a certain amount of positive feeling around after our recent run but this season has been awful and the team is 2nd tier. We lack goals from all over barring Perse and we leak them left, right and centre. Eight losses and 39 conceded in 29 games is terrible plus we have been humiliated in too many games.
If we want to compete with the likes of Barca abroad and City domestically, we need to snap up all of the quality that we can; let Wenger worry about how to fit it in, that's why he earns big money. Why wait for us to get caught short again before investing? We have to be proactive this summer and signing names like Vertonghen and Podolski is a start.
I agree, although on this specific one it obviously all depends on how highly you rate Vertonghen. Opinions seem to be mixed, but I've barely seen him so I've no idea. If he really is a genuine high quality player then I'm happy for us to do it, content in the knowledge that he'll probably make himself invaluable to us at some point (top players find a way). If he's just a decent-good, fairly experienced, versatile type, then I think we can spend our money better.
I think Vertonghen, all in all, is a lesser player than Kos, TV and Mertesacker. As a FB he is like Vermaelen playing there - not good enough. Fail to see how he will improve our midfield either tbh. With that - pointless way to spend £8m+.
Podolski would be a good signing since he would be a starter here. Vertonghen would be a poor signing IMO since I can´t see him as more than decent squad depth. Spunk that money on attacking players instead.
For those who don´t know the player too well when playing Man U earlier this year.
Too rash, takes too many risks when defending, goes forward too much and at best a decent passer of the ball.
IMO he is just a lesser Vermaelen in pretty much everything he does.
Looks tall, commanding, good with both feet. I would take him
It's not like he would come for nothing.
Why spend £8m+ in a transfer fee, and then wages, on a squad player when we have real needs at the attacking end of the field? We easily have 3 CBs better than this guy.
he's a similar level to tv and kos when they first arrived here, but more vocal. agree we could use some quality up front as a priority, but given that we have never been solid defensively for 6 years iI think having quality depth back there cant be bad. really don't want to be calling on djorou for anything anymore.
Signing Vertonghen doesn't automatically mean we're going to skimp on spending on other positions though does it?
I think Djourou is fine as 4th choice, and Miquel/Bartley as 5th choice.
I don´t want another CB either who "looks like a frustrated forward" as Wenger put it yesterday about Vermaelen. Call me old fashioned, but how about a CB who actually excels at defending?
y va marquer wrote:Signing Vertonghen doesn't automatically mean we're going to skimp on spending on other positions though does it?
We do have a limited budget though Y va, unlike some of our competitors. Whatever we spend on a CB will have an impact on what we can spend on other players.
Personally, I think CB is our strongest position in our squad. I don´t really see it as a sign of strength either that our CBs feel the need to gallivant forward to try and score. That is what we should have capable attacking players for. That is where we are badly lacking IMO.
Sure the budget is limited Rex but Vertonghen, Podolski plus one other in midfield is achievable even if we're overly mindful of what we spend.
With Chamberlain and Ryo a season stronger in their development and Wilshere returning I think we would be well set up for next season.
This doesn't mean that I want us to sign Vertonghen, not sure about him as I've never watched him play, but I would not be losing sleep if we signed him either.
We have to make room for new signings in the 25 man squad as well.
2 top class attacking players and us not losing anybody we want to keep. That would be great summer for me, and top class players cost money. Real money most of the time.
The room is already there in the 25 man squad; don't be fooled by Wenger's nonsense.
Podolski will be paid for with the money from Bendtner and Vela this summer plus whatever we can get for some fringe guys like eastmond etc. That's attacking signing no.1.
We then have money coming in from Arshavin and probably Chamakh; that's Vertonghen.
After that we have whatever 'pot' was available which is some £35-40m or so. Wages wise we will be losing Chamakh, Arshavin, Benayoun, Almunia and possibly squillaci and fabianski which is a fair chunk.
We don´t need Vertonghen. No more signing squad players.
As I said - 2 top class attacking players and us not losing anybody we want to keep. Great summer that.
We are probably also going to need a new number 2 goalkeeper. IMO we might as well keep Almunia. New contract for him with wages more appropriate for his status and be done with it.
Rex, we're out of all the cups, 15 points off the top and have conceded more goals than West Brom. We need more than just two attacking players.
The question of weather we should get him enough really boils down to (for me anyway) will he play as well in a secondary position (DM, LB) as he will at centre back, assuming he's going to be a decent CB. IF yes, then i'd take him, if not then i'd look elsewhere.
Once we've signed up RVP and Theo, and if we bring in Podolski, I wonder how much money will be left. After that we might be looking at selling before we buy again.
Captain wrote:Rex, we're out of all the cups, 15 points off the top and have conceded more goals than West Brom. We need more than just two attacking players.
It's not quite as straightforward as that though.
We've showed League winning form for most of the season, barring the terrible start and during our injury crisis. I'm not saying we'd win the League with this squad next season; we wouldn't, but we're not quite as far away as you're implying.
Captain wrote:Rex, we're out of all the cups, 15 points off the top and have conceded more goals than West Brom. We need more than just two attacking players.
It´s Vertonghen. Not Thiago Silva. Unless we are actually after someone better than Kos, TV and Mertesacker then it´s a big no thanks for me.