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Jan Vertonghen

Captain

We have a need for quality players all over. I know there is a certain amount of positive feeling around after our recent run but this season has been awful and the team is 2nd tier. We lack goals from all over barring Perse and we leak them left, right and centre. Eight losses and 39 conceded in 29 games is terrible plus we have been humiliated in too many games.

If we want to compete with the likes of Barca abroad and City domestically, we need to snap up all of the quality that we can; let Wenger worry about how to fit it in, that's why he earns big money. Why wait for us to get caught short again before investing? We have to be proactive this summer and signing names like Vertonghen and Podolski is a start.

Timbob

I agree, although on this specific one it obviously all depends on how highly you rate Vertonghen. Opinions seem to be mixed, but I've barely seen him so I've no idea. If he really is a genuine high quality player then I'm happy for us to do it, content in the knowledge that he'll probably make himself invaluable to us at some point (top players find a way). If he's just a decent-good, fairly experienced, versatile type, then I think we can spend our money better.

Rex

I think Vertonghen, all in all, is a lesser player than Kos, TV and Mertesacker. As a FB he is like Vermaelen playing there - not good enough. Fail to see how he will improve our midfield either tbh. With that - pointless way to spend £8m+.

Podolski would be a good signing since he would be a starter here. Vertonghen would be a poor signing IMO since I can´t see him as more than decent squad depth. Spunk that money on attacking players instead.

Rex

For those who don´t know the player too well when playing Man U earlier this year.

Too rash, takes too many risks when defending, goes forward too much and at best a decent passer of the ball.
IMO he is just a lesser Vermaelen in pretty much everything he does.

Clrnc

Looks tall, commanding, good with both feet. I would take him

Rex

It's not like he would come for nothing.
Why spend £8m+ in a transfer fee, and then wages, on a squad player when we have real needs at the attacking end of the field? We easily have 3 CBs better than this guy.

Gazza M

he's a similar level to tv and kos when they first arrived here, but more vocal. agree we could use some quality up front as a priority, but given that we have never been solid defensively for 6 years iI think having quality depth back there cant be bad. really don't want to be calling on djorou for anything anymore.

y va marquer

Signing Vertonghen doesn't automatically mean we're going to skimp on spending on other positions though does it?

Rex

I think Djourou is fine as 4th choice, and Miquel/Bartley as 5th choice.
I don´t want another CB either who "looks like a frustrated forward" as Wenger put it yesterday about Vermaelen. Call me old fashioned, but how about a CB who actually excels at defending?

Rex

y va marquer wrote:
Signing Vertonghen doesn't automatically mean we're going to skimp on spending on other positions though does it?

We do have a limited budget though Y va, unlike some of our competitors. Whatever we spend on a CB will have an impact on what we can spend on other players.
Personally, I think CB is our strongest position in our squad. I don´t really see it as a sign of strength either that our CBs feel the need to gallivant forward to try and score. That is what we should have capable attacking players for. That is where we are badly lacking IMO.

y va marquer

Sure the budget is limited Rex but Vertonghen, Podolski plus one other in midfield is achievable even if we're overly mindful of what we spend.
With Chamberlain and Ryo a season stronger in their development and Wilshere returning I think we would be well set up for next season.

This doesn't mean that I want us to sign Vertonghen, not sure about him as I've never watched him play, but I would not be losing sleep if we signed him either.

Rex

We have to make room for new signings in the 25 man squad as well.

2 top class attacking players and us not losing anybody we want to keep. That would be great summer for me, and top class players cost money. Real money most of the time.

Captain

The room is already there in the 25 man squad; don't be fooled by Wenger's nonsense.

Podolski will be paid for with the money from Bendtner and Vela this summer plus whatever we can get for some fringe guys like eastmond etc. That's attacking signing no.1.

We then have money coming in from Arshavin and probably Chamakh; that's Vertonghen.

After that we have whatever 'pot' was available which is some £35-40m or so. Wages wise we will be losing Chamakh, Arshavin, Benayoun, Almunia and possibly squillaci and fabianski which is a fair chunk.

Rex

We don´t need Vertonghen. No more signing squad players.
As I said - 2 top class attacking players and us not losing anybody we want to keep. Great summer that.

Rex

We are probably also going to need a new number 2 goalkeeper. IMO we might as well keep Almunia. New contract for him with wages more appropriate for his status and be done with it.

Captain

Rex, we're out of all the cups, 15 points off the top and have conceded more goals than West Brom. We need more than just two attacking players.

Mello

The question of weather we should get him enough really boils down to (for me anyway) will he play as well in a secondary position (DM, LB) as he will at centre back, assuming he's going to be a decent CB. IF yes, then i'd take him, if not then i'd look elsewhere.

Timbob

Once we've signed up RVP and Theo, and if we bring in Podolski, I wonder how much money will be left. After that we might be looking at selling before we buy again.

Ricky1985

Captain wrote:
Rex, we're out of all the cups, 15 points off the top and have conceded more goals than West Brom. We need more than just two attacking players.

It's not quite as straightforward as that though.

We've showed League winning form for most of the season, barring the terrible start and during our injury crisis. I'm not saying we'd win the League with this squad next season; we wouldn't, but we're not quite as far away as you're implying.

Rex

Captain wrote:
Rex, we're out of all the cups, 15 points off the top and have conceded more goals than West Brom. We need more than just two attacking players.

It´s Vertonghen. Not Thiago Silva. Unless we are actually after someone better than Kos, TV and Mertesacker then it´s a big no thanks for me.

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