George best was magic
van Persie sold to Man United
flobaba wrote:YounGunner wrote:That is Wenger's opinion not just mine. But then again your the same guy who said Chamakh was a better striker so i don't hold your opinion very highly.
Ooh, low blow.. I was wrong of course - not for the first time, and not for the last time probably.
But guess who doesn't give a rat's ass what you think about their opinion?
Captain wrote:Bergkamp is pretty much the best technician the game has ever seen. VanPersie is very good but not at that level.
Undebatable.
Capi, that gif is mesmerising.
flobaba wrote:Captain wrote:Bergkamp is pretty much the best technician the game has ever seen. VanPersie is very good but not at that level.
Undebatable.
Originally I thought Capi was spot on there, but when the guy who thought Chamakh wass better than RVP agrees with him - I hesitate. 
There was a pretty big love fest for Chamakh when he signed, never understood why...
Doc wrote:There was a pretty big love fest for Chamakh when he signed, never understood why...
Because he scored or won us a penalty nearly every game for 2 months. Then he just stopped.
qs! wrote:Doc wrote:There was a pretty big love fest for Chamakh when he signed, never understood why...
Because he scored or won us a penalty nearly every game for 2 months. Then he just stopped.
Yeah, meant when were linked to him an bought him before season start.. Big target man upfront was never going to suit us. Same with Giroud.
Robin does not feature in the list of top 5 premiership players' peaks, so to speak, let alone better than Henry.
Are people so blinded by the mediocrity fed to us for the past 6 years, that they have forgotten the geniuses that were Henry and Bergkamp.?
flobaba wrote:YounGunner wrote:That is Wenger's opinion not just mine. But then again your the same guy who said Chamakh was a better striker so i don't hold your opinion very highly.
Ooh, low blow.. I was wrong of course - not for the first time, and not for the last time probably.
But guess who doesn't give a rat's ass what you think about their opinion?
Well considering your logic YounGunner, Flobaba is right cos Wenger rates Chamakh too 
Just watching that Bergkamp video! WHAT A PLAYER!
Wow, I was not old when Bergkamp was at his best, but watching that video.. None of the players in the league today are capable of doing the things he did with the ball. Not even close. That includes RvP.
Technically he was absolutely flawless. Just look at the goal against Argentina. Or the one against Newcastle.
Bergkamp was on a par with Zidane in terms of ability, just didn't quite have the Frenchie's force of personality.
Captain wrote:
:dulaoohtobe::drool::dulaoohtobe:
It's quite difficult to talk about Bergkamp and Zidane without sounding completely over the top.
I think they were the only players that I've ever seen (in live competition) who made me think there was almost something other wordly in what they could do.
Bergkamp's goal in the WC '98 - remember watching that game outdoors in the sunshine and when he scored thinking along the lines of oh my god that was supernatural pure and absolute perfection.
Have you ever read his account of that goal? It's brilliant, I'll post if I can find it.
I read it once, would read it again though if you can find it
Holland v Argentina,
World Cup quarter final,
Marseille,
July 5, 1998,
The 90th minute
“That’s my top goal, I think. Also because of everything around it. It’s a goal that gets you to the semi-final of the World Cup, a massive stadium, lots of people watching and cheering… My reaction afterwards was very emotional.”
You covered your face as if to say: “I can’t believe I’ve just done that!”
“I didn’t know what else to do! It’s funny. Every boy has a dream: ‘I want to score in the world cup. Score the winning goal in the final, of course. But in this way… to score a goal like that, in the style of me, you know? The way I score goals, on that stage, in a game that really means something, because that’s important to me too. I love good football, nice football but it has to mean something. It has to bring me somewhere. And that’s what happened with this goal. At that moment I thought about when I was seven or eight years old, playing football in the house, you know? This is the moment! It’s a good feeling.”
You’re a long way off the ground when the ball comes. For a wide receiver to catch that with his hands would be difficult. You do it with your foot! What were you thinking? How much was planned? How much improvised?
“Again, it’s a question of creating that little space, eh? So you get to that ball first. You’ve had the eye contact… Frank [de Boer] knows exactly what he’s going to do. “
You asked for the pass?
“Yeah, yeah. There’s contact. You’re watching him. He’s looking at you. You know his body language. He’s going to give the ball. So then: full sprint away. I’ve got my five, six yards away from the defender. The ball is coming over my shoulder. I know where it’s going. But you know as well that you are running in a straight line, and that’s the line you want to take to go to the goal, the line where you have a chance of scoring. If you go a little bit wider it’s gone. The ball is coming here, and you have two options. One: let it bounce and control it on the floor. That will be easier, but by then you are at the corner flag. So you have to jump up to meet the ball and at the same time control the ball. Control it dead. And again, like the Leicester one, you have to take it inside because the defender is storming that way. He’s running with you and as soon as the ball changes direction, and you change direction as well, then he’s gone, which gives you an open chance. Well, it’s a little bit on the side but it gives you a chance to shoot.
It’s an astonishing piece of control. How did you manage it?
“We talked about balance on the ground. This was balance as well, but you have to be in the air. You’ve got to be as still as possible, as if you are standing still… but in the air, and controlling the ball. If you’ve got a lot of movement, and try to control with the inside of the foot, then the ball could go towards the defender. So you want to keep it on the top of your foot. That gives you the best chance, and the best chance of controlling it. I’m not worrying about the angle of my foot because that’s something you do all the time. I know I can control almost any ball that comes to me. But I want to be very stable. I didn’t realise how high in the air I was. But you know you want that ball in that position. Not there but here. So you have to jump up to meet the ball.”
How much looking back were you doing while the ball was on its way to you?
“You first look back when the ball comes, of course. But there wasn’t much wind, so I’m looking forward, to keep sprinting, to meet the ball. You know the line, and at the last moment you think: ‘OK now I have to jump’. And when I’m in the air it’s going to meet my foot. There’s a little bit of calculation at that moment. But it’s experience.
And after you had landed it?
“You just think: that’s step one. You want to get the whole moment, the whole sequence. It’s three touches. Everything can still go wrong at that moment, so you are concentrating on doing it step by step. But you don’t know the steps. You can only do the second step if the first step is right. If the ball shoots on a little bit further, then you have to adjust again.”
So you’ve killed the dropping ball, you touch it inside to get rid of Ayala [the defender] and make a better angle, and you don’t take the shot with your left foot but with the outside of right.
“Yes because I feel more confident with that at that time. It’s in the middle of my feet and I have the confidence, and it’s not the right angle to take it as well with the left, because that’s a different kick. So I choose to take it with my right – ideally, the outside of the right – and aim it for the far post, then let it turn in…
It even curves.
“That’s what I wanted. Take it away from the goalkeeper and let it come in.”
Did it cross your mind that he might save it?
“No. Because when you’re in that moment … You know, sometimes you have these moments where you think: ‘This cannot go wrong! No way!’
God is flowing through it?
“Yeah. What can you compare it to? Different sports? Like running the hundred metres and you know this is going to be a good time? But you’re in that moment. That’s the feeling. After the first two touches… that moment! You give absolutely everything in that movement. It’s like your life has led up to this moment.”
First commentary is almost as good as the goal.
Cheers Captain
Sounds a bit odd but reading his commentary gives me the shivers.
Loved watching Bergkamp more than any other player.
that first comment had me in stiches for hours when i first saw it
It's brilliant.
Henry and Bergkamp were a long way ahead of Robin in my opinion. Robin's a great player; the best in the League by a pretty big distance and one of the best in the world, but those two were other worldly.
....and we had both of them, playing together, at their best.
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-AxeLvHcOo
I admit to "finding" Bergkamp a little late in his career, but what I saw absolutely blew my mind. Never really cared for watching football that much (which is weird considering I played it :), so when I took an interest finally and saw him come of the bench in a game Arsenal were playing it was a little bit confusing. Why in the hell was this man on the bench in the first place? So many questions running through my head because he clearly belonged out there instead. If he scored a goal I don't remember. It didn't matter though. He was just pure elegance and will always remain one of the best ever along with Zidane in my eyes. Just can't feel the same way about Messi and Ronaldo as I do about those two. They don't make the game look as beautiful.
Zidane was on my radar since '98 because he was Zidane. The penalty versus Buffon in the '06 WCF was absolutely perfect. Who does that? Gutted when France ended up losing, but the head-butt made him even more of legend in my eyes.
There were a few distinct phases to Bergkamp's Arsenal career. Certainly think the RVP of this season would have given Dennis a good run for his place in the team post 2000.
Captain wrote:First commentary is almost as good as the goal.
And his celebration too.
one of my favorite goals ever!
Just saw that DB10 vid posted on the previous page. What an amazing video.
Bergkamp was a genius and one of the best players I have ever seen but had too many off seasons at Arsenal to be considered our greatest ever player, thats why for me I would put Henry ahead of him although you could argue the former has more talent.
Sirius wrote:He was just pure elegance and will always remain one of the best ever along with Zidane in my eyes. Just can't feel the same way about Messi and Ronaldo as I do about those two. They don't make the game look as beautiful.
Well put.
Timbo wrote:There were a few distinct phases to Bergkamp's Arsenal career. Certainly think the RVP of this season would have given Dennis a good run for his place in the team post 2000.
Thinking about it more, it's actually pretty pointless to compare Bergkamp and van Persie. Despite the constant comparisons, the Robin we see today is a completely different player, playing a completely different role.
I think Robin's a better Number 9; better in the box than Bergkamp ever was (for us), but without Bergkamp's genius and technical perfection as a playmaker.
Isn't that what Inter tried to do with Bergkamp? Play him at point in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 and he was a big fat failure?
Bergkamp at his peak could do what Robin has done this season.
Robin at his peak would never be able to do what Bergkamp did.
I Am Arsenal Till I Die wrote:Bergkamp at his peak could do what Robin has done this season.
Robin at his peak would never be able to do what Bergkamp did.
I agree with you on the second statement but not the first. Bergkamp never had the goal scoring instincts. He scored loads for Ajax but he didn't do too well as the lone striker at Inter Milan and wasn't exactly known for his goal scoring at Arsenal. His assist record was more impressive than his goal scoring record. Doesn't he have the highest amount of assists in Arsenals history?
If it is indeed a City delegate the club should give him a hefty fine.
Robin van Persie @Persie_Official
"@SasperEllla: @Persie_Official @Famlan Who's the old dude in the middle?" Lol he is a great man shall I try to organise a date for you?
hmm!
Why are people calling some unknown a "City degate"? He seems to have been at the Emirates, but so what? And that third pic doesn't even look like the same person.
Is this being reporter by actual journalists anywhere or is it just some random Arsenal blog?
Just realised that RvP tweeted that pic himself.
And people think it's a City official?