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van Persie sold to Man United

Captain

No, the truth is that he is not nearly as good as Henry or Ronaldo. Dear, oh dear...

flobaba

Robin's nowhere near Henry at his peak regardless of his scoring record. I still rate even Bergkamp higher than I do Robin though Dennis never came close to the first two in terms of scoring. Those guys were like watching magicians perform before your very eyes. Compared to them, Robin is.. human.

y va marquer

Captain wrote:
No, the truth is that he is not nearly as good as Henry or Ronaldo. Dear, oh dear...

The truth is that the time for him to prove that he is (or could have been) has passed given that what should have been his peak years were blighted by injury.
He's at the age and stage in his career where there just isn't enough time to match their achievements.

Captain

I'm not a believer in needing years of consistency to stake that claim. He is just a poorer footballer.

Maybe, as Arsenal fans, we take it for granted but Henry is/was truly that good. Ronaldo would be making a play for best footballer of all time if it weren't for the little Argie at Barca.

Doc

The injury years have put a huge dent on RvP stature in term of the all-time greats, issue is in the modern game power & pace are hugely important. 2 of Robins weaker points. Technique, passing, movement (this season) I’d say he up there with them ability wise but overall they have definitely achieved a higher level than he has. Come back in 4 years if Robin is still playing the way he is now (unlikely), maybe they can be comparable.

Captain - Consistency is a factor in the sense that a player will improve every year if he is healthy and on top of his game, do you think TH14 would have reached the level he was at if he had been injured half the time he was here?

Captain

It's irrelevant how Henry came to be better, he was just better.

VanPersie's passing is average, he is slow to execute, his decision making is average and he is weak physically and slow across the ground. First touch and finishing is excellent, movement is above average but not exceptional. He has personality on the pitch and doesn't hide but that's fairly standard amongst the better players.

I am genuinely struggling to see how anyone could even attempt to compare the two, longevity or not.

Captain

Anyway, I don't want to get bogged down in this. VanPersie is a very good player and we should enjoy him while we can.

Rex

Completely agree with Capi regarding the Henry comparisons. Not even close.

squallkid

RVP is the best striker in the league right now

Thierry Henry is the greatest striker this league has ever seen and the best striker we have ever had.

Rex

Thierry is the best player in PL history. Ronaldo would probably have got that call had he stayed a bit longer.

squallkid

I don't like picking out an overall best player because defenders and midfielders usually get under-appreciated and everyone plums for a striker

Best Striker- Henry
Best Midfielder-Scholes
Best Defender-Sol Campbell
Goalie-Seaman

YounGunner

flobaba wrote:
Robin's nowhere near Henry at his peak regardless of his scoring record. I still rate even Bergkamp higher than I do Robin though Dennis never came close to the first two in terms of scoring. Those guys were like watching magicians perform before your very eyes. Compared to them, Robin is.. human.

Van Persie is every bit a magician as Bergkamp was and on par technically.

flobaba

Lol. Not true.

Doc

Captain wrote:
It's irrelevant how Henry came to be better, he was just better.

VanPersie's passing is average, he is slow to execute, his decision making is average and he is weak physically and slow across the ground. First touch and finishing is excellent, movement is above average but not exceptional. He has personality on the pitch and doesn't hide but that's fairly standard amongst the better players.

I am genuinely struggling to see how anyone could even attempt to compare the two, longevity or not.

Henry wouldnt have been the player he was in his prime if he was injured most of the time so ofcourse its relevant. That's a dis-service to the amount of time & effort these guys put in to making themselves who they are... There's countless stories from players saying how hard Dennis & Henry used to train & how dedicated they were which not doubt contributed to the level they reached..

He is not as good as Henry or Ronaldo but to say he has average passing & decision making is waaaaay overboard.

On a separate note: some Muppet on talksport says Robin was unprofessional & out of order for chipping the wolves keeper 😆

Captain

It's irrelevent to the discussion in hand. Someone just said that VanPersie's peak is higher than Henry's FFS...

(and I respect Patter's opinion because he seems a level-headed bloke even if we disagree)

Ray

What i initially wrote and has been misconstrued was that van persie will soon (if he scores a couple more this season) be as influential in a premer league season as henry and ronaldo who scored 30 and 31 goals in a premier league season, i wasnt comparing the players but in terms of importance to the team in goal stats he is reaching their "level" this season. Ronaldo practically won them the title that year, same with drogba when he hit 29 yet we have "that" goalscorer but havent won it. If we add someone like a rooney or anelka to come partner robin we will most likely win the league.

However you say it not many, if any can, score 30 goals or more in a premier league season, if van persie reaches that level he is up there. Obviously he has to do it for a couple more seasons to be regarded on henry greatness.

YounGunner

flobaba wrote:
Lol. Not true.

That is Wenger's opinion not just mine. But then again your the same guy who said Chamakh was a better striker so i don't hold your opinion very highly.

flobaba

Hey, what do you know? There's some some videos with emotional soundtracks for Bergkamp as well.

Link:

Captain

Bergkamp is pretty much the best technician the game has ever seen. VanPersie is very good but not at that level.

flobaba

YounGunner wrote:
flobaba wrote:
Lol. Not true.

That is Wenger's opinion not just mine. But then again your the same guy who said Chamakh was a better striker so i don't hold your opinion very highly.

Ooh, low blow.. I was wrong of course - not for the first time, and not for the last time probably.

But guess who doesn't give a rat's ass what you think about their opinion?

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