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van Persie sold to Man United

Ray

I think Mata, Silva and fabregas before them are proof that spanish midgets can be successful in the premier league, it doesnt mean the whole team has to try and emulate spains style, but having at least one player who can do what these attacking players can do is a massive advantage.

But i detest the thought of trying to move back to our boring sideways passing which started creeping into out play in fabregas's last years with nasri out wide. Having the pace and movement of Gervinho, Chambo and Walcott on the flanks and having someone who can find them would be the preferred option.

est

"That's all you got?"

lorddulaarsenal

Something's pleased poldi

Meatwad

probably thinking, "if this weakling can dominate the league, i'm gonna kick ass."

Biggus

otfgoon wrote:
Not particularly well, but then he didn't have the quick direct players in the side to work with.

Yeah it always comes back to that- Henry didn't have the players around him-Fabregas didn't have the players around him-Van Persie didn't have the players around him.......

Rohit wrote:
All in all if we do sign Cazorla and hopefully get Sahin on loan, we would certainly we well equipped to execute different plans based on oppsition and situation. Quite an eclectic mix of players 🙂

I have no idea how it's going to fit together Rohit.
Truly Wenger is either a genius or a fool.

SimplyThePest

Why are they using weights made of timber..?

Captain

Arsenal is all about the environment.

SimplyThePest

Hahaha, I like that!

Captain

But in all seriousness, it's because they are light; basically, they are doing aerobics.

Burnwinter

Biggus wrote:
So how did that work out for us when Fabregas was here?

This practice of blaming Fabregas (or in this case, blaming a player who's yet to arrive because he's a technical midfielder) for poor performances is flat earth thinking, Biggus.

Your contention: Fabregas held us back.
Truth: he was comfortably our best player for the last few seasons he was at the club.

Your contention: a strong team suffered by being built around Fabregas.
Truth: a weak squad prospered by being built around him.

Your contention: after Cesc and Nasri left we were partially freed from the oppressive yoke of the dreaded tiki-taka.
Truth: we were much, much less able to play a controlled passing game under pressure in advanced positions.

Your contention: Fabregas on the books meant we didn't play direct.
Truth: prior to 2011 Van Persie was absent and Song could've chipped it long all day without getting a result. He didn't because we had better options.

Your contention: We were improving last season, but now because we might sign a technical midfielder we'll be held back again.
Truth: Against the odds and utterly dependent upon a genius season from Van Persie, we managed to hack our way to the same mediocre CL-qualifying result we have for years. With Walcott being Walcott, Wilshere injured and Gervinho a wash post-ACN, it was quite obvious we lacked a high calibre creative player up front.

speedy

the wooden ones are bumper plates, so when your lifting the bar off the ground its higher and safer for your back.

kamikaze

bw, i dare say you just ripped biggus a new one.

Coombs

Wenger can't win Biggus back. A trophy at this point would be in spite of Wenger as our manager, not because of him. No amount of signings, be they Jenkinsons or Cazorlas, is going to change that. If its unknown players then we need proven experience, if its proven experience then they won't fit together in the team (or the proof of their experience is simply denied). There's No Exit.

kamikaze

followed by an absolutely rubbish post...

Coombs

I think kami likes me...:hmm:

Burnwinter

It's just weird to keep hearing from Biggs that at Arsenal, a good player can be a problem. Blind Freddy could see we would've been fucked without Fabregas from 2009 to 2011.

It seems to me Fabregas wasn't the problem by any means. The main problem was we didn't have a consistently available striker worthy of the name for a long while after Adebayor sodded off ...

By all means the argument about whether we should be more direct is an interesting one, but not in the context of avoiding signing better players because they might hold our shitter ones back from expressing the true spirit of direct football simply by way of their limitations.

Captain

speedy wrote:
the wooden ones are bumper plates, so when your lifting the bar off the ground its higher and safer for your back.

It's not a bumper plate.

lorddulaarsenal

It's cos podolski would be embarrassed lifting smaller weights

http://www.physicaleducationupdate.com/public/442.cfm

That or it lifts the bar off the ground making it easier to pick up

Captain

😆

Biggus

Burnwinter wrote:
Your contention: Fabregas held us back.
Truth: he was comfortably our best player for the last few seasons he was at the club.

My actual contention: The decision to build a team and style around Fabregas was a disaster.
Truth: It was a fucking disaster.

Your contention: a strong team suffered by being built around Fabregas.
Truth: a weak squad prospered by being built around him.

My actual contention: He was surrounded by uncomplimentary crappier versions of himself like Denilson and Rosicky and by despicable cunts like Gallas and Hleb.
Truth: a weak squad prospered by being built around him.
No argument with you there.
I'll just ask who was responsible for the weak squad?

Your contention: after Cesc and Nasri left we were partially freed from the oppressive yoke of the dreaded tiki-taka.
Truth: we were much, much less able to play a controlled passing game under pressure in advanced positions.

My actual contention: Yes, also the addition of experienced players like Arteta and Benayoun who were used to a more direct style and a quicker tempo.
Truth: the controlled passing game was a failure, it made us slow and predicable.
Van Persie had his greatest ever season, I'm not saying this was wholly the result of our attack being speeded up and made less predictable, I'm just saying Van Persie had his greatest ever season...... These are the facts- people can come to their own conclusions.

Your contention: Fabregas on the books meant we didn't play direct.
Truth: prior to 2011 Van Persie was absent and Song could've chipped it long all day without getting a result. He didn't because we had better options.

My actual contention: Duh of course we couldn't play direct, we hardly ever scored from a set piece or a corner (which statistically accounts for 50% of goals) and this was because everything came through Fabregas.
Truth: I haven't a clue what you mean, RvP wasn't ever present but he wasn't absent.
Song could've should've would've- Stick to the facts of what did actually happen.

Your contention: We were improving last season, but now because we might sign a technical midfielder we'll be held back again.
Truth: Against the odds and utterly dependent upon a genius season from Van Persie, we managed to hack our way to the same mediocre CL-qualifying result we have for years. With Walcott being Walcott, Wilshere injured and Gervinho a wash post-ACN, it was quite obvious we lacked a high calibre creative player up front.

My actual contention: After Wengers ostrich impression and our nightmarish start with the new players settling and our improvised style benefiting RvP, only some ridiculous defending hurt us at the end, still 3rd place was our best season in a while and we exited the CL going down fighting.
Truth: After Wengers ostrich impression and our nightmarish start with the new players settling and our improvised style benefiting RvP, only some ridiculous defending hurt us at the end, still 3rd place was our best season in a while and we exited the CL going down fighting- Incidentally- note our improved fighting spirit after the ass raping of OT, we exhibited a tougher side..

If I were you Socrates- I'd take the hemlock now. 😉

My antipathy towards Carzola stems from two reasons-

It seems that Wenger is trying to replay the Fabregas "glory years" 2007-2010 staring Santi Carzola in the role of Cesc.
2.After putting up for years with his free transfers of the calibre of Bischioff and Chamakh, and the bleatings of his followers that there's no money- Wenger finally spunks out on a player that he wants not what we need.

Poor Santi, he's tarnished by association.

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