I wonder if Liverpool will warm up in shirts with a picture of Suarez showing people the finger this time.

Suarez doc. is out:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Disciplinary/NewsAndFeatures/2011/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/Disciplinary/Written%20reasons/FA%20v%20Suarez%20Written%20Reasons%20of%20Regulatory%20Commission.ashx

Think we can put his silly explanation and Liverpool's pathetic attempts to paint him as sinned against to bed now. Page 96-100 covers it if you can be arsed.

wow, what a cuntbucket Suarez is if that is case. Even if it was for the purposes of winding Evra up it's complteley unacceptable.

It's very clear from the findings and conclusions in that report that Suarez intended his insult to be racist.

Nothing lost in translation, no cultural misunderstandings.

I'd be ashamed if we had a player who carried on in that way.

"The FA's case, in short, was as follows. In the goalmouth, Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to each other in Spanish. Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres... negro", meaning "Because you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch you”. Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks". Mr Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie". As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr Kuyt then intervened. When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he just called me a fucking black".

DISGUSTING!!

That's just the case the FA had to consider IAATID. That's not necessarily what the FA are saying happened.

But either way, there does seem to be evidence that in a heated exchange, Suarez made an racist insult.

In which case Liverpool's stance is utterly baffling. Liverpool, as a club, have behaved horribly through this.

But big boys don't cry, Patrice...remember which twat referenced that?

The Liverpool fans won't believe Evra. In a nutshell it's Evra's words against Suarez's.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=284714.0

If it was in the goalmouth other players must have heard.

Got this on RedCafe.

Just took a peek at RAWK

Every single person is still defending Suarez and says they hope the case is taken to court, Suarez vindicated and Evra punished.....

Morons

How would he be punished?
By everyone laughing and pointing at him chanting blackie, blackie, blackie........

At first I thought it was a misunderstanding. After reading the file, the ban seems wholly appropriate. The FA took a long time but they did so because they were being thorough. Hats off to 'em

Jesus Christ that Wu Tang Suarez pisstake is fucking HILARIOUS. Nice work.

Totally deserved ban for Suarez, but I really do think Evra should get a hefty ban as well for being a cunt in general.

Well thats what Suarez should have said: I kicked you because you're a cunt, I don't speak to cunts, cunty cunty cunty.

squallkid wrote:

Just took a peek at RAWK

Every single person is still defending Suarez and says they hope the case is taken to court, Suarez vindicated and Evra punished.....

Morons

They love a good victim.

Well they have their excuse now when they finish 7th.

Read through the document earlier today. It's pretty obvious that they've done a fair bit of research. The key factors in the decision making seem to be that Evra's story has stayed the same throughout the hearings while Suarez' has changed and isn't consistent with the video evidence. There's also a mention of Kuyt who heard Suarez repeat the insults and a confession from Suarez himself who he later changed. I call bullshit on the idea that it's all about a cultural misunderstanding. Liverpool are a fucking disgrace for trying to depict him as a victim in all of this. Total joke of a club. They should be forced to apologise publicly for it.

Jebus, that was a bad one into the back of that #3.

I couldn't stand the little shit when I watched a bit of Ajax, now everyone can see what a horrible, cheating twat he is.

Biggus wrote:

Jebus, that was a bad one into the back of that #3.

Nah, the #3 wasn't hurt so there was nothing wrong with the tackle.

It works that way apparently.

Someone highlighted a post on a Liverpool forum the other day:

Re: Evra accuses Suarez of racism

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To be honest is this not a PR disaster?

Kenny is a walking PR disaster. It was pretty much always the case, but he got away with it early in his management career because he was invariably winning.

The other person who comes out of this fairly poorly is the owner. There are two ways he could have contained this PR nightmare, either step in himself early and take the path of least resistance - dampen down the bad news with an apology, it was all a cultural misunderstanding thing - and hardly anyone would even be talking about it now. Meanwhile you quietly appeal the length of the ban and the FA shortens it because you have shown penitence for the crime and are sending out the right signal.

If you do not want to get involved in this personally then you make sure you put in place a senior management structure at the club to handle it for you. A structure that has a strong communications head and a manager with strict instructions that any actions or comments he makes on this subject have to be signed off by the PR guy.

Dalglish is doing what he is doing undoubtedly to try and create a siege mentality and keep his team close in spirit and deed. But what is good for one part of a vast organisation like Liverpool is not necessarily good for the rest of it. The club's image and reputation is taking a battering because there are no senior people there who seem to have the power or remit to argue their own corners in the face of the scattershot approach of Dalglish.

I cannot imagine any one person would have this amount of scope within their job definitions to cause this much trouble at any of Henry's other sporting entities, I struggle to imagine why he permits this to happen at Liverpool.

Too much that seems to have happened at the club over the past year has been rather knee jerk, whether some of the ridiculous, panicky transfer deals or this sort of pandering to the baser instincts of the more rabid elements of the support. Good owners need to stand aloof from populist gestures, Henry seems to be far too acquiescent in the poor decision making made by the people he is trusting to run the club. I do not know if this is a competence issue or a currying favour one, either way I am worried.

The owner doesn't have the first clue of what he is doing when it comes to football. NESV bought Liverpool because someone told them they could buy one of the most widely supported sports franchises in the world for £200 million. They jumped at it. The glazers were looking for over 10 times as much for man utd. £200 million was cheap. There was however a couple of reasons as to why this storied franchise was available so cheaply.

The problem is that they don't know anything at all about football. They didn't realise what a mess Benitez had made of the club, with the assistance of H&G. they didn't know how incredibly shit most of the players were when they took over.

They didn't realise how much fucking money these players were on. They didn't realise how badly structured the squad was, they didn't realise how long their contracts were. They were only dimly aware of how bad the clubs underlying financial position was, and how costs were exploding as income fell.

They had some lovely little plans for a transfer guru to scour Europe for top players at fantastic prices, with a coach at the cutting edge of management, using the most modern of methods to weld the team into a winning machine.

However, NESV didn't realise that all of their plans were going to be fucked straight out the window, because King Kenny wanted the job, and let it be known to the world at large through his mates who were all in the media and saying what a great manager he would be.

NESV looked at their fans in near open revolt against their manager, and saw they were chanting for the return of a man who hadn't had any real involvement in football since he disgraced himself at Celtic and Newcastle, and they just buckled.

Out went any notion of young coaches with inventive tactics, out went clever purchases, in came insanely expensive players of unproven top level pedigree, but proven behavioural problems, at galactico prices. All rational economic planning went out the window as they "overspent to show the fans that they were prepared to spend big." before scouring the North East for unbelievably bad value.

NESV have little or no leverage over Dalglish. If they sacked him tomorrow they could never set foot in their own stadium again and would have to sell the club. KK can do whatever he wants, and unfortunately, it appears that he only seems to be interested in pissing and shitting all over his own reputation.

Whether it be buying terrible players, or wasting obscene amounts of money, or making an unbelievably awful mess of handling this Suarez case, or even buying the crazy uncontrollable cunt in the first place.

Suarez, Carroll, Downing and Henderson are enormous catastrophic club-crushing blunders. any other football manager who had made the catalogue of horrendous errors that Dalglish has made over the last 12 months would have been not only fired, but sued for the damage he's done to NESV's economic interests.

But ultimately there is nothing that they can do about it, other than wait until he realises that his best managerial days were under Thatcher, and hope that he fucks off back to the 19th hole with the MOTD pundits, to tell off-colour stories about the good old days.

NESV can then look at their falling income, escalating costs, rising losses, and try and rebuild again, in the knowledge that Liverpool have officially replaced nNewcastle as the most criminally mismanaged club in england. Pretty soon Liverpool fans are going to start every season hoping for a good run at a Europa league spot, and if one of the CL clubs wins the League cup, maybe we'll get it.

I know many will be very angry at what I have written but it's the truth and we all know it.

Think it's the most brilliant analysis of Liverpool that I've read since Dalglish took over.

Spot on.
And it is dead funny...

Suarez, Carroll, Downing and Henderson - thats around £100m of expenditure right there! Minus Suarez's deplorable behaviour he's the only one who's been of any value.

Thing is, it's not even hindsight. Most people knew Carroll, Henderson and Downing were a bit crap when Kenny splurged all that dosh on them.

Pepe LeFrits wrote:

Biggus wrote:

Jebus, that was a bad one into the back of that #3.

Nah, the #3 wasn't hurt so there was nothing wrong with the tackle.

It works that way apparently.

Hmm that player was lucky his leg bends backward instead of forward.
He seems to just get on with the game, if it was me I'd be sent off for pummelling Suarez's goofy teeth with my studs.

When DJ was booked for the tackle on Barton in the QPR game, it was pointed out that he didn't even make contact, that feckin eejit Trevor Francis said 'the intent was there' what intent?
Clearly DL's intent was to win the ball but that twat Atkinson agreed with Francis. :mad:

I support me!

Wow, I had no idea of his history, only saw those gifs now as they wouldnt load for me before.

He really is some piece of work, like you say Biggus that attempted leg breaker on the #3 was terrible and should have seen him receive a hefty ban as it was pre-meditated and could easily have broken the guy's leg....he then has the audacity to go down himself and pretend that he was the one fouled against. That actually sums up his actions in the enquiry, he's the one who dishes out the abuse to Evra and then tries to make it look as if he is somehow the victim in all of it, disgusting person.

He can dish it out but he can't take it like a man, lying and squirming to get out being punished instead of standing behind what he said.
He's a coward.

It's harsh to include Suarez as a Dalglish blunder. He's a terrific footballer, just the biggest cheat the league has ever seen and now also a racist. Dalglish though has wasted money, but I'd rather my manager overspent than didn't spend at all. There's regret in both instances, but at least the spending manager is trying to give himself a chance.

Not really. People could see from a mile off that those signings were shit so what was the point? I'd rather have a manager who secures a Koscielny every now and then for a modest sum because he believes in the player he's spotted than someone who throws eighty million in the sink just because nationality is more important than actual quality. Not that the two are mutually exclusive or anything, but Dalglish is the worst manager in Premier League. He's the joke that people stopped laughing at ages ago. A fitting manager for the kind of club that Liverpool have become, you would have to admit.

I Am Arsenal Till I Die wrote:

"The FA's case, in short, was as follows. In the goalmouth, Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to each other in Spanish. Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres... negro", meaning "Because you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch you”. Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks". Mr Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie". As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr Kuyt then intervened. When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he just called me a fucking black".

DISGUSTING!!

blackie? That's just journalists or whoever making it worst than it was.

I agree that exchange deserves a fine and the 8-match ban, but am I the only who doesn't trust Evra's accounts at all? I'm sure he was called 'negro', but I'd trust the cunt to blow the rest out of proportion.

Caligula wrote:

It's harsh to include Suarez as a Dalglish blunder. He's a terrific footballer, just the biggest cheat the league has ever seen and now also a racist. Dalglish though has wasted money, but I'd rather my manager overspent than didn't spend at all. There's regret in both instances, but at least the spending manager is trying to give himself a chance.

Klaus wrote:

Not really. People could see from a mile off that those signings were shit so what was the point? I'd rather have a manager who secures a Koscielny every now and then for a modest sum because he believes in the player he's spotted than someone who throws eighty million in the sink just because nationality is more important than actual quality. Not that the two are mutually exclusive or anything, but Dalglish is the worst manager in Premier League. He's the joke that people stopped laughing at ages ago. A fitting manager for the kind of club that Liverpool have become, you would have to admit.

Well I agree with Cal.
We all could see that Almunia Bendtner Denilson et al were shit and needed to be dumped tout suite but Wenger persisted, he was wrong we were right.
And now likewise we know what has to be done but he gives us the Henry circus.
Wenger may sneer and dismiss our opinions but we the supporters live and breath this team and know more than we are given credit for.

Nobody is asking for him to piss 35M against a wall but time and again we've fallen just short because he refuses to go the extra mile and do whatever it takes because it doesn't rank high enough on his agenda.

RC8 wrote:

I Am Arsenal Till I Die wrote:

"The FA's case, in short, was as follows. In the goalmouth, Mr Evra and Mr Suarez spoke to each other in Spanish. Mr Evra asked Mr Suarez why he had kicked him, referring to the foul five minutes previously. Mr Suarez replied "Porque tu eres... negro", meaning "Because you are black". Mr Evra then said to Mr Suarez “say it to me again, I’m going to punch you”. Mr Suarez replied "No hablo con los negros", meaning "I don't speak to blacks". Mr Evra continued by saying that he now thought he was going to punch Mr Suarez. Mr Suarez replied "Dale, negro, negro, negro", which meant "okay, blackie, blackie, blackie". As Mr Suarez said this, he reached out to touch Mr Evra's arm, gesturing at his skin. Mr Kuyt then intervened. When the referee blew his whistle and called the players over to him shortly after the exchanges in the goalmouth, Mr Evra said to the referee "ref, ref, he just called me a fucking black".

DISGUSTING!!

blackie? That's just journalists or whoever making it worst than it was.

I agree that exchange deserves a fine and the 8-match ban, but am I the only who doesn't trust Evra's accounts at all? I'm sure he was called 'negro', but I'd trust the cunt to blow the rest out of proportion.

They had several language experts on board to help out specifically with the significance of the words that were used and whether they were offensive or not. Nothing has been left to chance or dodgly English translations.

Here's a quick write-up by The Guardian's Stuart James for anyone who's interested. I'll quote the part that is relevant to the discussion above:

The commission, however, found several holes in this argument. Although it was accepted that "negro" could have a different meaning in Uruguay and Latin America in certain situations and that Suárez himself had used it on previous occasions in a friendly way, the experts that the FA instructed to prepare a written report on the linguistic and cultural interpretations of the words "negro and negros" in Rioplatense Spanish, told the commission "that if Mr Suárez said the things that Mr Evra alleged, they would be considered racially offensive in Uruguay and other regions of Latin America", not least because of the acrimonious context in which they occurred.

The fact that those who came forward to support Suárez were also inconsistent hardly helped Liverpool's case. While Suárez claimed that he said to Evra: "Por que, negro" – meaning "Why black?" – Damien Comolli, Liverpool's director of football, who spoke to Suárez immediately after the game, and Dirk Kuyt, the Liverpool midfielder who also had a conversation with his team-mate afterwards, both said initially in their interviews with the FA that Suárez's words translated as "because you are black". Comolli later claimed that he misheard what Suárez said in Spanish, and Kuyt said that he misheard what Suárez said in Dutch, leading to them both changing their words to tally with Suárez's version when it came to providing their witness statements.

The bolded part is pretty shocking. Liverpool should be punished for it.

HAHAHA Wolves have just equalised again V Chelsea.

Sorry where was I.

General Mirth wrote:

It's not £35m. It's £80m that he's pissed into the wind

I know GM, I just said 35M because that what he paid/pissed away for