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Arsenal Vs. Man City (League Cup Final) 430pm BST 22 March

Gunner89

Arteta does not sound positive, at all, on Eze's injury. Eze won't be going away with England next week. "We have to do another scan in six or seven days and wait to see the results. It’s his calf." #AFC

Didn't help that the leverkusen match was all over and he still didn't make a sub till the 70th minute

Dithering with subs all the time

Waiting for the 2nd to go in today and then even bringing Jesus on

Qwiss

Gunner89 tbf if players weren't fit today then he needs to talk up those injuries as much as possible and keep them away from their international teams. If I see Timber or Ode playing international games I'll be pissed off.

lorddulaarsenal

Trossard’s form is a bit of a worry

Sicario2

Arteta fucked up massively with Kepa

Tam

Ah fuck Carragher I’m not even watching him slaver over my screen.

The Kepa call is an issue but take him out and put Raya in and I still don’t see us scoring today, so I’m struggling to see it is as a huge point of difference right now. That second half was a travesty.

I could take going down with a fighting chance. I could take losing with dignity. We didn’t look like a team going for a quadruple today. We don’t have the confidence for that. We don’t have the commitment for that.

On the way into town I listened to the last Tuesday club and they were talking about how Arteta hated to lose more than he loved to win. I want to win. I want the aspiration and the commitment to it. I didn’t see that today.

swider

Tam
Well said. However in all important games Arteta reverts to "I do not want to lose" and loses because of it time and time again, and he just refuses to learn the simingly obvious lesson.

Gunner89

Tam

Take kepa out and bring in raya makes us massively different

Forget the clangers

Kepa couldn't play his way out of the press pep had in the 2nd half, one time it took him near a full minute to pass, he can't play it long

That meant we were constantly giving the ball away to city

awooga83

Tam agree totally it wasn't just Kepa that made the whole team outfield perform poorly and really disappear in a big match. This was more then that and something we've seen enough in this team to know it's intrinsic to how wet okay under Arteta at times.

Qwiss

Tam I am of the complete opposite opinion. I think Kepa fucked us in a load of ways and we'd be much more likely to have won without him.

Mirth

Tam The Kepa call is an issue but take him out and put Raya in and I still don’t see us scoring today, so I’m struggling to see it is as a huge point of difference right now. That second half was a travesty.

Put it this way - we’ve not been a brilliant attacking team this season. With Raya we are at least a brilliant defence.

Today we were neither

Mirth

Tam The Kepa call is an issue but take him out and put Raya in and I still don’t see us scoring today, so I’m struggling to see it is as a huge point of difference right now. That second half was a travesty.

Put it this way - we’ve not been a brilliant attacking team this season. With Raya we are at least a brilliant defence.

Today we were neither

Claudius

Gunner89 Kepa couldn't play his way out of the press pep had in the 2nd half, one time it took him near a full minute to pass, he can't play it long

Saka even dropped to centre mid and had a clear 20 yard pass between two City forwards. And Kepa kept recycling. We should not use him in FA cup beyond Southampton. I was disappointed. He was Ramsdale level at best.

Tam

Gunner89 Yeah fair play, that's an issue. So the logical outcome is we get a bit further up the park with Raya in goals. I still don't see that we would have troubled them much.

Panda

Yeah the start of that 2nd half was horrid. At least try and play with a clear conviction to win the game. They got deservedly punished for their lack of conviction. Better learn their lesson. Arteta and players that is.

The visions of Kepa holding the ball with his foot for 30secs are worse than those of the errors he made.

Gazza M

this shouldn't have been as effective as it was, but because our players are so structure-first, theyre unable to solve wrinkles like this on the fly.

tazmania

Gazza M depressing and angry watching that. They look so confused

Qwiss

Gazza M the system is fine. There were almost always passes available. Kepa just isn't able to make the passes Raya can. If we are going to play our back up keeper in the cups we need someone who suits the system.

SimplyTheBest

tazmania Can't think for themselves.

Panda

Arteta constantly getting schooled by Pep. Doesn't matter what style Mikel is attempting. Pep will find a simple way to defeat him.

Gazza M

Panda schooled by divorced pep and washed slot this season, let's be real

Sicario2

Panda before this Pep hadn’t beaten Arteta in 3 years. What kind of school is that?

Panda

Sicario2 Definitely not the tactics school...lol.

Arteta managed 2 wins in 3 years 1 of them was the lucky Martinelli deflected strike.

I know who I'm backing to get his tactics right in a 1 off game and it isn't our conservative man.

Dom

Kel Varnsen

I watched highlights of a few games from 23/24 and the difference between Saka then and now is quite stark. He still has the close control but his initial burst isn't there any more.

lorddulaarsenal

Dom Saka seems to have lost a bit of weight - it’s probably to do with managing the recovery from injury. A good run of matches and he’ll be back to his old self

Gunner89

The 3 years that raya started

invisibleman18

Qwiss this. I've been careful not to mention Chelsea's bins since things got a bit over the top with the Madueke signing in the summer. But with Kepa's entirely predictable and expected diasasterclass and the Havertz chance it's what we've once again relied on to bring home a trophy and as per usual we've been shown why Chelsea couldn't throw them here quick enough.

Tam

Qwiss Maybe yeah. I'm going off instincts in watching the game in a pub, so maybe didn't take it in as well as I would have at home. No way I plan on re-watching to get a better understanding of it though. No doubt more likely to have won based on the fact it would have been less likely we'd have lost with Raya. Not sure it follows that we would have been a better attacking force with Raya in the team.

I still stand by my view that I don't think creatively we would have had enough to really trouble them yesterday. I can see how Raya improves various aspects, I just don't think it would have made a difference at the other end of the park.

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