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Arteta - one more year and that’s it

Claudius

Burnwinter will be funny when it happens

Burnwinter

Claudius If, if. Don't jinx it mate

QuincyAbeyie

Burnwinter yeah, but then again the people who would find that the most funny are probably the ones who are desperately trying to avoid giving anyone criticism if we fail to do so.

Burnwinter

QuincyAbeyie Not in my case. I've been insisting on a somewhat open position with respect to the judgement of the players, manager, transfer activity, club leadership and season among other aspects: unlike quite a few people, whether we win or lose will actually carry some consequences for my thinking.

Best example is this thread: for me it really has been and remains "one more year and that's it" when it comes to my judgement of Arteta, not "one more year and then another year more" or "no more years, months or days and that's already it".

I'd go further though. I think there should be substantial consequences for contracts, the squad strategy and more depending on the outcome. Let's fucking go 👏👏

Coombs

Burnwinter they'll be lauded as heroes. If they don't win, they'll be bottlers. Both will be fair.

Burnwinter

Coombs Fair in isolation, but far from fair if the opposite view was insisted upon the day before. I've got no patience to hear the people who gaslight themselves into fixed views, then when those views are overturned pretend they've never held them.

Coombs

Burnwinter the opposite view was insisted upon the day before

If we win all of our games but City beat us to the title on goal difference, goals scored, or - horror of horrors - head-to-head record, then the view that we've bottled it held today is no different than tomorrow. If City drop points and we win the title, then we've held our nerve just enough to the end despite our previous slip up. Crucially, it doesn't mean that we didn't slip up. It doesn't change anything that happened before.

Also, if we win it doesn't mean we always played great football, or that Arteta didn't make a lot of bizarre team selection decisions. Likewise, if we lose, it doesn't mean everything we/he did was bad and that we're shit at football. I think you put words into people's mouths if you think that criticizing this manager, these players, or the club has anything to do with how happy any Arsenal fan will be if we win. I'll still dislike Arteta for many things, but hail the accomplishment nevertheless. It's not a binary choice.

I don't believe we'll win the title, and when I'm wrong about that, and Jesus scores the goal that wins us the championship on goals scored, I'll praise him, the team, the manager, the club, and all of you lot to boot. I might even say something troll-y, like that I always believed and I knew it would all work out in the end. That doesn't make me or anyone else a hypocrite. You seem to be suggesting that people who aren't actively reserving judgment don't get to make any subsequent judgments. It also seems contradictory to say that someone has a fixed view if they change it.

Btw, when you say one more year and that's it, do you mean that's it regardless of what we achieve? Or do you mean one more year and that's it if we don't win anything? The latter is the easiest position to take in any circumstance. The former is certainly more respectable.

Big Willie Champ

Burnwinter I've got no patience to hear the people who gaslight themselves into fixed views, then when those views are overturned pretend they've never held them.

I'm fine with people changing their opinion, but their should be some acknowledgement from them that they now see things differently from previously rather than pretending, like you said, that they never had a differing view. There is a certain group of Arsenal fans that fall into this behaviour quite often.

Claudius

Arteta, the Kroenkes, and the players should not be immune from criticism. They all make mistakes. Some fans are calm. Others have elevated anxiety, which is normal given prior seasons’ outcomes.

But when certain posters’ sentiment is consistently negative despite the team being in contention for the two biggest trophies on May 4th, then it feels like those fans have a warped world view. Just out of touch with reality. A lot of the discourse from these folks belongs on the United, Chelsea and Spurs fan forums. Or Talksport

Coombs

Claudius I guess I just have more sympathy for those fans, because I feel like one of them. The Thomas Partey Affair really did a number on me, and I now see the worst in the club and Arteta at pretty much every turn. Maybe it isn't fair, but I can't help it.

jones

Claudius why are you so obsessed with how other fans are perceiving what the manager is doing? Fairly sure everyone is aware of the PL and CL are still there to play for. Maybe we should shut the whole forum down until May and only open up the comments after we know how many trophies we've won.

jones

Coombs it's perfectly fair, if you've grown up watching Arsenal since the 90s as most of us have and you don't feel some kind of disconnect with how the club is run today, the awful football and most of all the Partey extension offer there's something wrong with you.

Claudius

Coombs Claudius I guess I just have more sympathy for those fans, because I feel like one of them. The Thomas Partey Affair really did a number on me, and I now see the worst in the club and Arteta at pretty much every turn. Maybe it isn't fair, but I can't help it.

Definitely sympathise. Any level-headed person looking at three straight years of being the bridesmaid should logically expect that. I will admit that someone in my position is showing more faith than these facts might suggest, but that's probably a difference due to how I get my energy as a fan. Being hopeful versus being anxious. And maybe it is a foolish hope. Time will tell.

On Partey - I think a post motem from the club would be beneficial. I think that at the time the allegations first broke out, the team's realistic options ranged from continuing to play him while monitoring the situation, to placing on internal suspension or leave pending investigation, to conducting their own disciplinary review under the contract's misconduct provisions. Immediate termination would have been the most extreme step but also the riskiest legally - unless supported by strong evidence or formal charges that could meet the threshold for gross misconduct. The team appears to have chosen the easiest path of these 3. I would like to understand if that was done with the understanding that they did not have sufficient credible evidence to successfully activate more stringent measures. I have heard that the bar for credible evidence is much higher in the UK than the US, so this could be a reason we had this unsavory timeline

Meatwad

Burnwinter
arteta is getting all the credit from me if that happens. add the champions league with these "attackers" and he's the greatest in arsenal history.

banduan

Claudius explain

Not rotating arguably caused Saka's and Timber's issues. We're lucky that Zooby is just exhausted and not injured. Declan is constantly red-lining. These are issues that happen to all teams of course, but they should not happen as often as they do to us given the deep squad.

RowJimmy It was Arteta's fault when Odegaard got his ankle destroyed last year (while on international duty). And Odegaard lacks the testicular fortitude to recover as quickly as we would like.

Yes, of course that's what I mean. You and your straw man make good posts.

Burnwinter

jones if you've grown up watching Arsenal since the 90s as most of us have and you don't feel some kind of excitement about the possibility of winning our first major trophy in over two decades

Not having a pop at you Jonesy, I do get your point and respect it, but if we're going to talk Frankfurt School in the politics threads we might as well admit there are varying tendencies under way in these conditions as well ...

jones

Burnwinter no worries mate, I can understand different viewpoints and respect them as long as they don't come across snidey.

I'll be honest I'd have been able to stomach Artetas corporate culture bollocks and eye watering football but the Partey extension killed something off for me, like I knew the club would've hid behind the technicalities but as brazen as Arteta was about it afterwards I couldn't be bothered to care. I'll celebrate the title if we win it but the damage is done, not nearly as invested as I was in 22/23 let alone 10 or 20 years ago.

Coombs

Claudius it's the contract offer that sent me completely over the edge. I wasn't ok with the previous events, but that was completely elective on our part.

FEBravo

Claudius that’s all nice and good but to offer him an extension is a completely different matter. And then doubling down with whatever ridiculous statement Arteta made. That shows a complete disregard for the victims and what was out there in the public domain. I accept we don’t have the full story, but what was out there was pretty damning - if they had evidence or information saying it was false etc they would have put it out there for sure. And that’s why most people were at the very least uneasy about it

Gurgen

Claudius they just don’t give a shit. We have no “values” to speak of. Visit your sick mum get frozen out. Rape women and be rewarded with a new contract offer.

Claudius

Coombs very bizarre era. Glad he’s gone. I’m sure the league is full of Partey’s, just given the general data on sexual assault. You can’t get rid of the criminals you aren’t aware of. But you can send a message with the miscreants you know.

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