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Arteta - one more year and that’s it

Gurgen

Key players can only go to a handful of clubs that are doing better than we are.

Qwiss

Gurgen unfortunately it's only the good ones those clubs will want.

daredevil

I don't think we're any risk of losing our best players unless they walk on a free. We pay big salaries now, the likes of Real and Barcelona no longer want to pay big money for transfers or even wages at that. The bigger threats are within the league like City but given our rivalry, we won't sanction any sales to them. I think those days long gone.

awooga83

SimplyThePest If we fall short I don't think they are that brave, getting rid of Arteta they have to be responsible for choosing what's next and directly being accountable. I suspect they are too cowardly for that and play it safe probably with some stupid statement about being even more convinced that he's the correct person after the season etc. In which case they'll have learnt nothing from the Wenger end.

SimplyThePest

awooga83 you'd have to think they'd have a bench of potential candidates identified in case of the manager moving on.

Gurgen

They would have to pay big money to us and big salaries. It's not so easy. Which clubs are genuinely a more attractive prospect than we are? City (if you don't mind living in the middle of nowhere and join a legacy of cheating), Madrid (if you don't mind a dressing room full of obnoxious egos), PSG (if you don't mind going through the motions for 90% of the season)? Maybe Barcelona and Bayern? We pay good money, have challenged for major trophies for the last few years and you get to live in London. I think most players find this a very good place to play football.

awooga83

Gurgen if our players who we consider are of that level, and too be honest I don't think there are that many, choose to stay comfortable they will have taken the Harry Kane route and I would have serious questions about their ambition. They should be wanting honours. As I said I think there's only a few who might fall into that Saka, Saliba possibly Rice but I'm less sure about how necessary his specific attributes are needed in those types of teams

Tam

Gurgen what’s wrong with Manchester and the north-west in general?

See this sort of thing said a lot about places like Manchester, Liverpool and Newcastle. Often it’s by people that haven’t been near those cities.

Qwiss

awooga83 I'm less sure about how necessary his specific attributes are needed in those types of teams

I'm sure City, Liverpool, Utd, etc would take him in a heartbeat but I don't see sides like Real and Barca being all that bothered. He's very much a premier league player.

awooga83

SimplyThePest you would hope a competent board would operate like that. But I thought it was a mistake to make Arteta a full manager after we moved away from that as it led us to a dead end with Wenger.

DKGooner

SimplyThePest

Sure they would do, but it will be very important to assess what kind of manager would suit the players we have and their mental state at this point in time. Having another forceful Arteta-type personality to succeed him is likely not what they would need. Also, with a world cup this summer, there is not a lot of down-time for the players to rest and recharge ahead of another big season.

daredevil

SimplyThePest

There's not a whole host of options around.

Every PL title winning manager since 92 won a title in a different league - except Ranieri. So if you have that as a minimum requirement - the shortlist would be tiny. If we don't go for someone with pedigree, then we are likely to repeat a learning curve again but with someone new.

My biggest issue with Arteta now is recruitment. I don't know how much Berta and Edu had to play in some of the decisions, but we haven't landed any top attackers under his entire tenure. That's fucking awful. It's not easy and the pool is tiny to get the x-factor attackers but to not land one in fucking 7 years is just tragic. That's where this whole project has fallen apart.

Gurgen

I have been near or in those cities. There's nothing wrong with them per se, but I think it's quite obvious that they don't have the same appeal as London, Madrid or Paris?

DKGooner

Qwiss

Likewise, I wouldn't see it as cruel. For someone with no management experience, it was an incredible leap of faith from the board to appoint him in the first place. While his first two seasons yielded our worst premier league finishes for many years, the board again kept tremendous faith. His five years since has brought the club back into the Champions League positions but ultimately, he hasn't managed to translate that into any trophies.

The board can't rely on sentiment and they have to judge whether Arteta is still the best person to keep us at the current level or take us forward (and at what cost). If they determine that this is most likely the peak he can achieve for now and that there is sufficient cause to believe the club may finish 3rd or lower in the standings than we are to keep top two next season, then they would have justification for considering alternatives.

DKGooner

SimplyThePest

Regardless, I don't think they will sack him if we win nothing this season. I reckon, there will be lengthy discussions on what happened and what Arteta thinks is needed to push on next season. If he can't convince them to back him in the way he wants to meet those potential targets, I suspect he will walk away. I'm not even sure the board will judge him on the failure to win that harshly - I think a board decision will be based on whether they are told (or believe) that a big squad overhaul is needed which likely opens up the possibility of falling in the standings again in the short term.

Qwiss

daredevil probably the best bit of attacking business we managed under Arteta is Trossard and they wanted Mudryk instead.

Gurgen

Imagine blowing 90m on that guy, fuck me

jones

Gurgen don't need to imagine it, Captain Save a Hoe will probably wait until his ban is over and chuck a 50m bid at Chelsea. It's good business at half price as well

Burnwinter

Qwiss If they sack him, and they wont, it wouldn't be cruel at all. It'd be incredibly fair.

Cruelty is an external relation in the end. Arteta would be being pushed out after finishing second in the league four times running, humiliated yet again by his mentor turned rival, then Arsenal brings in another manager and the summer is all sound bites of Rice saying "Yeah, we've had a tough run and honestly I feel for Mikel, you can't not, but the new gaffer's got great ideas ..." ... tons of sheepish player interviews about how they were glad about the change ... I think he'll be shattered any which way if that's how it goes.

Gurgen

They won’t sack him whatever happens this season. I hate his football but his results speak for themselves. Pep would have been out of the CL spots with these injuries. He couldn’t even handle one Rodri being out. Whether he wins something or not is also decided by luck and only fans and Real Madrid chairmen judge managers on those metrics alone.

Qwiss

Gurgen Whether he wins something or not is also decided by luck and only fans

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Sicario2

Gurgen hahahaahhaah luck. Luck MY ASS. If we don’t win anything this season it will down to Artera and his decisions. Nothing to do with ‘luck’.

And please don’t compare him to the GOAT manager.

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